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Posted by: Jerry

Ok guys - what do you believe and why? Were we created or not?



Posted by: Anthony

>Ok guys - what do you believe and why? Were we created or
>not?

Very good question, evenmoreso for the new Christian who doesn't know, or hasn't been told the truth behind the two points, so that person can make up his/her own mind. I am not asking you to say I am correct, or to believe what I do, I just wish to share my view. If I may, I would like to share my opinion with you all. I wish to start off by noting that my writing reflects my personal opinions, and is based on what I may or maynot know.

Personally, I believe we were created, and I base that on my faith of readings in the Bible. Recently, this issue came up in class, and that caused me to think. Let me reveal my thoughts by asking everyone some questions. No, you don't have to answer me by reply, but I ask that you ask yourself these questions.

1.) Have you ever had a love in your heart so true that you knew it was there, so real and present that it could not be denied?
2.) Has anything ever caused you physical pain in your heart when you heard a friend was in a wreck, or had passed away?
3.) Have you ever had your heart broken?

You may not know where I am going with this, but please let me expalin. First off, I asked you about your heart... Primarily on love, because this is quite a debating quality of the human existance. We all deeply wish to love, and to be loved in return. Science says that your heart is a cardic mucsle that pumps blood. Period. I haven't read anything on any attachments (according to science) with love, pain, or heartbreak. Yet, as humans, we all know very well that these things are so very real. You have felt these things in your heart; a physical feeling. If, as humans, we know these things to be so true that we are willing to give our lives for them, how much harder is it be believe that maybe its not being able to prove it. Maybe it is a matter of being able to know it for ourselves as true. Does this make it any less true, that because science says love doesn't come from the heart? Surely not. I have felt all these things, and I know that they are as real as you and I. There is no doubt that love does come from the heart, weather or not it is physically able to create these feelings. A human seeks love and approval above all other emotions, I think. If we are so devoted to seeking love, with out own understanding why can we then deny something else that is possily just as true?

I regret any mis-communications I may have just made, but I feel that if something that we know as so true, as a human, that takes up every second of our life, then why is it seemingly impossible to believe so differently in this case? I believe that we were created, in His image, and that is something that I believe in as much as I believe that the cardiac muscle in my chest is able to love, and hurt at times. Why do we limit our own heart? Our own thoughts? God?


The biblical student in me wishes to end it with this thought. The Pharisees were meticulous student of the Word of God. They dissected every word, bit by bit, and STILL YET, that missed the bigger picture. They missed the point, because they had too fine of a magnifying glass on the word. Is is too hard to think of the same situation here? That we may be looking too hard for the perfected truth, that we are missing the PERFECT truth? To me, no. I think that if we being to realize we need to work off of what WE can prove, not what others have proved. We all know about love, and how real it is. Just as with love, we have to learn it for ourselves before we can really trust in anything.


Please feel free to return comments, evenmoreso if there is something above you don't quite understand.

~A




Posted by: standingby

I believe we were created by God. I feel that if we 'evolved' from animals, then why are animals still here?

There has been guite a bit of controversy lately concerning this topic. Many people do not understand what the word 'evolve' means and tend to get a little defensive when the word comes up.

I think (and this is just my opinion) that God created things to 'evolve' (ie; seeds to flowers, babies to adults, etc) - as a growth process.

And I think that the 'evolution theory', which states that we all evolved from a single cell or from animals, is 'someone else's' opinion. ( Which I choose to disagree with because, as I said, I believe that God Created the World and ALL that is in it.)


Posted by: Dreamweaver

I was created by God from birth and that is all that really matters to me. Even if we did evolve, God's hand was in that evolution. They have recently discovered human evidence that may prove that we existed prior to a time that evolution would have taken place. This issue used to matter to me alot since I was married to an anthropologist. Now, to me it doesn't matter how I got here. I am God's creature now and I know that he exists, so that is all that matters to me.

God bless,

Jan


Posted by: pickone

I believe we were created in the image of God.

God is not a monkey.

Satan better just shut up. Less people are listening to his lies lately.


Posted by: talena

Evolution is impossible and everything in science points to that fact. Science teaches that life can not exist without the building block protein. Protein can not exist without other necessary functions of life. Protein can not stand alone. So in that one simple statement the whole theory of evolution that states we evolved from single cell organisms is negated.

We do evolve into maturity in our own species, but we can not evolve into other species. As long as man has been recording history we have no proof of evolutionary changes from one species to the next. And that has been a span of several thousand years. What...did the whole process of evolution STOP when man learned to draw and write?

Many species of animals have become extinct over time. To say we come from a certain species because we have a similar structure of an extinct animal is like saying cats come from dogs because they have similar bone structure.

Anthony is absolutely right. According to science we should be a bunch of robots running around without a conscience, functioning like all the other living organisms of this world. Science can not figure out HOW we are able to feel, and love, and process thoughts. Our brains have the same biographic make up as those of the animals, yet we function VERY differently. We have heart...we have heart because we have a spirit, a soul.

We have been wonderfully made. We are a product of love, and of thought. God knew how He wanted us to be and who He wanted us to be before we were even born.


Posted by: Rachel R

I have enough faith to believe in creation by a Creator, but I could never s****e up enough faith to believe the evolution story. It is just too far-fetched.

Where is the source? If we all crawled out of the slime, then who made the slime and where was the slime? On this planet? Then where did the planet come from?

It doesn't seem logical to me. God tells us the whole story.


Posted by: Cara

I used to resent a great deal in school when we had to write essays on evolution as I absolutely did not believe in Darwin's theory what so ever. Now I see things somewhat differently. I believe God used the big bang theory as a method for his creations. Science has proven that.
Carbon dating has shown that remains of civilizations and people are older than biblical history. This is where it gets a bit dicey, and I have come to the conclusion, so what. All that concerns us is biblical history and the time line that pertains to. I have always thought that there is a lot left out of Genesis probubly for a good reason. I do believe that there was life here on earth before and that we are God's recreation(new and improved I hope). These thoughts came after much thought and reading. Sadly if there is such a thing as evolution we are evolving in reverse, as we don't seem to learn a lot from past history. Amazingly we are facing the same ideals as in the time of Noah and the flood, full circle, same mistakes. This would be why God has not revealed a lot to us from Genesis as he did not want to give us a road map to our destruction.
I know and am greatful that I am God's creation, created in his image,
and to that does it matter the method that he used to do so?


Posted by: Tiff

Im happy to read this particular thread. I feel many people take the Theory of Evolution hook, line and sinker because its 'safe'. Much safer than professing faith in literal creation (or creation of anykind actually!). Its something Ive had to deal with in regards to my daughters school and the library books she has brought home. To me, Evolution (as in The Theory of Evolution) is the easy way out. The broader road.. more mainstream and safer.

I choose the narrow path because I know where each road leads . I choose to take God at His word and believe what He says. He said he Created, I believe He created. He created animals, He created Man. He did not create one to become or evolve into the other.

Scientist and evolutionist can say what they want. My faith in God and His ability to speak anything into being is larger than they are. I may appear as a stubborn child but hey... People not believing truth does not negate said truth. Its still Truth.

ANYWAY! Im with Jan. It used to bother me and I used to argue it and debate it and what not.. Even with my own husband. He is a Creation through Evolution and Im a literal creationist. We are both believers but he believes God used Evolution to produce His creation. I believe He spoke the world and all in, into being.

But it doesnt bother me much anymore. The fact DH and I have altering views... the fact my friend is atheist and an evolutionist.. has no baring on my salvation and I relized the negative bantering back and forth in argument over it, wasnt worth the peace I was hurting. Maybe I will see for myself exactly what happened, maybe I wont. Im ok with that.

Tiff


Posted by: chris goodwin

there has never been one case of evolution proven they try to use kinds as proof but one species has ever changed to another may god bless


Posted by: Tommy

if monkeys produced men in the past,why ain`t they doing it today?

created is the answer


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

whoever thinks they were evolved from animals go right now and look at yourself in the mirror, what do you see, a person right you dont look like no animal to me, so as the reflection in the mirror reflected an image of another human being which in this case is you, would it not then make since that in the same manner then if you were to look God in the face it would be as though a mirror to, for you will see in his reflection and image that looks just like you, giving you the term we were made in the image of GOD, we are reflections of his love made in the image of him duplicates of his being just like you see yourself in the mirror you see duplicates, one is a reflection of you and one is the real you, Just as it is with God he made duplicates of himself to have relationships with them..and those duplicates are human beings, the air your breathing right now he breathed into you, when you came out of your mothers womb did you breathe life into your body no almighty God gave you breathe and life, thus to keep breathing there is an atmosphere around this earth we live in so the air we are breathing does not escape, if there was no protective shield around this earth the air in your lungs would be sucked out and you would be dead, again to appear before the judgment seat of God your maker in whom there is a simular reflection of both God and man looking alike, accept God is all knowing and powerful, we are mere dust made from this earth. so amen God Bless


Posted by: VIP

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony
>Ok guys - what do you believe and why? Were we created or
>not?

Very good question, evenmoreso for the new Christian who doesn't know, or hasn't been told the truth behind the two points, so that person can make up his/her own mind. I am not asking you to say I am correct, or to believe what I do, I just wish to share my view. If I may, I would like to share my opinion with you all. I wish to start off by noting that my writing reflects my personal opinions, and is based on what I may or maynot know.

Personally, I believe we were created, and I base that on my faith of readings in the Bible. Recently, this issue came up in class, and that caused me to think. Let me reveal my thoughts by asking everyone some questions. No, you don't have to answer me by reply, but I ask that you ask yourself these questions.

1.) Have you ever had a love in your heart so true that you knew it was there, so real and present that it could not be denied?
2.) Has anything ever caused you physical pain in your heart when you heard a friend was in a wreck, or had passed away?
3.) Have you ever had your heart broken?

You may not know where I am going with this, but please let me expalin. First off, I asked you about your heart... Primarily on love, because this is quite a debating quality of the human existance. We all deeply wish to love, and to be loved in return. Science says that your heart is a cardic mucsle that pumps blood. Period. I haven't read anything on any attachments (according to science) with love, pain, or heartbreak. Yet, as humans, we all know very well that these things are so very real. You have felt these things in your heart; a physical feeling. If, as humans, we know these things to be so true that we are willing to give our lives for them, how much harder is it be believe that maybe its not being able to prove it. Maybe it is a matter of being able to know it for ourselves as true. Does this make it any less true, that because science says love doesn't come from the heart? Surely not. I have felt all these things, and I know that they are as real as you and I. There is no doubt that love does come from the heart, weather or not it is physically able to create these feelings. A human seeks love and approval above all other emotions, I think. If we are so devoted to seeking love, with out own understanding why can we then deny something else that is possily just as true?

I regret any mis-communications I may have just made, but I feel that if something that we know as so true, as a human, that takes up every second of our life, then why is it seemingly impossible to believe so differently in this case? I believe that we were created, in His image, and that is something that I believe in as much as I believe that the cardiac muscle in my chest is able to love, and hurt at times. Why do we limit our own heart? Our own thoughts? God?


The biblical student in me wishes to end it with this thought. The Pharisees were meticulous student of the Word of God. They dissected every word, bit by bit, and STILL YET, that missed the bigger picture. They missed the point, because they had too fine of a magnifying glass on the word. Is is too hard to think of the same situation here? That we may be looking too hard for the perfected truth, that we are missing the PERFECT truth? To me, no. I think that if we being to realize we need to work off of what WE can prove, not what others have proved. We all know about love, and how real it is. Just as with love, we have to learn it for ourselves before we can really trust in anything.


Please feel free to return comments, evenmoreso if there is something above you don't quite understand.

~A

A most excellent point and one I have actually never thought of. God Bless you!
There IS so much evidence out there for creationism! It completely revokes any proof of evolutionism. evolution is satans hinderence to christians.


Posted by: anthony

This boad is about to be a hot topic. Mark my words. 0 Anthony


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Go here it will be more of a better discussion more truth and not lies from the devil http://www.annointed.net/Community/...62846#post62846


Posted by: Michelle56

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Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by Michelle56
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read this is from the bible ok God Bless love yu
this is in the very beggining of your bible

Genesis

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning-the third day.
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fourth day.
20 And God said, "Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." 23 And there was evening, and there was morning-the fifth day.
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.


Posted by: Creighton0411

I hold true to Genesis, it is the truth. Yet the concept of the day isn't a 24 hour period, but a certain period of time in which a purpose of God was revealed. A day to Him is a miniscule amount of time... but for us it could be a second, an hour, 24 hours, a week, a month, a year, a thousand years, a million years, etc. Science explains evolution. Christianity doesn't violate that teaching. It merely puts purpose to it. There was too much of an order when it comes to life being placed on this earth. And that order was inspired by God.

However, Genesis does tell me that God created me. Other than that, my central concern is the now, living a life in God's will. And then after the now, eternal life in Heaven

Peace in Christ,

-Rob

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Originally Posted by Jerry
Ok guys - what do you believe and why? Were we created or not?



Posted by: CoDErnie

I will gladly reply to this question. A thought (someone may have covered it, but here goes). If we came from monkeys, why are monkeys not still evolving now? When did they stop? Also, Jeremiah 1:5 says God knew Jeremiah in his mothers' womb, and his mother was human, not monkey or ape. God made man in His image, and Jesus was a man, born of a virgin woman, again, not an evolved monkey, or any other thing. Faith in God's creation of man is easier for me than believing I came from a monkey, because contrary to unpopular opinion, animals are stupid. My cat keeps doing what I tell him not to do, even when I squirt him with the water bottle. Even I am smarter than that! lol


Posted by: Lorica Lass

I bought the evolution theory hook line and sinker in the past. In fact, I couldn't imagine how it could not be true! I looked down my nose at people who didn't see the obvious "scientific proof." Poor things, clinging to thier outdated religious myths...

When I actually looked at what the creation scientists had to say, at first it did not compute. I had been taught a lot of "smoke and mirrors" all my life in high school, college, on Bill Nye the [so-called, really only part time] science guy.
Things that I had heard were proof of evolution, when you looked more closely, more scientifically actually were often the exact opposite, turned out.

As just one example, I used to say, of course there was evolution! Look at all those dinosaur bones. Yes, indeed. Look at all those dinosaur bones. They prove extinction. Extinction is the opposite of evolution! If the bones showed animals being transformed from one species into another... But there are billions of fossils out there folks, and none of them is transforming. There ain't any fossil fish with feet on them out there!

The evidence against evolution became so strong, the more I read, that eventually I was laughing out loud at the ridiculousness of it all!

For anyone who has not examined this from a scientific point of view, there is wwww.answersingenesis*****, and a site called Reasons to Believe.
The most helpful book to me, written by a highly quaified scientist who had taught evolution in the past as a university professor, was Creation Facts of Life. It took me awhile to study over what it was saying, though it is written in a very user-friendly way for non science majors like myself. Again, the reason was that I had been so brain washed for years by a lot of unfounded, unexamined assumptions, that it took some real pausing and reflecting to be able to see the actual, true, scientific facts.

Looking up "intelligent design" and "irreducible complexity" is also highly useful in terms of seeing high level scientists show how ridiculous evolution really is. We've been hood winked, those of us who ever believed in evolution! What a sad/funny joke it all really is.


Posted by: lin1235

Well I think there's two parts to this issue.

1. Is the Earth 5 thousand or 5 billion years old?
2. Were humans created or evolved?

Personally, I believe the earth is as old as it appears through science. There's no need for God to falsify the dinosaur bones etc. - because who could have created the dinosaurs, if not Him? I also have no problem in believing species sometimes evolve - there is enough evidence of that, at least. Birds on two islands definitely have the same origin, but the one has a longer beak because their diet is different (e.g. have to dig deeper for worms). I don't have a problem with that.

But I cannot believe we've evolved from monkeys. The Bible says we're made from dust, and I believe it.


Posted by: son of God

This morning I was listening to a radio station 88.9fm csn it is a bible based station with sound sermons and guest speakers today thier was a doctor on who had taken x rays of skeltons in Paris to show they were put together wrong and thatevolution was a hoax. He had proven what was said to be one of our ancestirs could not be because their were patched up bullet holes which means there was no guns a millon years ago it also looked diseased and had characteristics of it which were being labled off as evolution.he also was able to prove that meat eating animals such as crocidiles and Lions as today had jaws that chewed in a fashion of eating vegitation and did not have meat eating teeth as it would have been in eden before any blood had been shed.He was chased down by pepole in Paris and had to take the bathroom door to jar the motel door shut they escaped france un harmed and in prayer they later found out the man who lent them the xray machine was murdered he also was talking about how our heads continually grow and the plates in our head are still growing when your eighty and look diffrent from when your twenty they did a study and changed how the heads would grow over a few hundred years as the bible says pepole used to live the findings were the skull looked like the neanderthal skulls. I wish I could rember thedr who was talking this mornings name i just rember it started with a k But for anyone intrested in looking at creation verses evolution I highly recomend them looking into video teachings or attend a seminar by a man named Dr.Kent Hovind I have watched some of the videos and its just amazing the deception we're teaching our kids and the country.Hes on and he shows it to u with the bile and science and has won many debates against top evolutionists in universitys. Sincerly servants wife


Posted by: MarkSentMe

I belong to a NASCAR message board and about a month ago there was an interesting exchange between 2 members of the board- one wh is a Christian and one who is an atheist. They bantered back and forth for awhile, in a civil and intelligent (not name-calling) manner. The atheist made some very good points: the theory of evolution is just that, a theory. and there are no skeletal evidence of interim species.


Posted by: bill & alexis

In my personal opinion evolution is an excuse to hide behind. It's a stance where an individual will not be held to any degree of accountability by a Perfect, Holy and Righteous God.

The only problem is this is idolatry - creating what we want to believe in our own minds, and the enemy is loving it.

Father may all who are blinded by the enemy have the scales fall from their spiritual eyes. Reveal the truth God, humble the intellectual, and send the scientific world back to the drawing board - to find YOU - the Living God - The Creator of Heaven and Earth; The Lord God Almighty! In Jesus name - AMEN!


Posted by: Christian Commando

If I may, Id like to add my two cents worth- Most of christianity, when read the first verse of Genesis Chapter 1, they believe God caused our physical world to be created in moments. I believe that. why? New scientific evidence that just came out recently, tho known for years is, a form of radiation that only exists for miliseconds, was founf fossilized in granite rock, the foundational rock of our earth. Evolution claims it took billions of years for all this to form. If so, that radiation could never have been fossilized, since only lasts miliseconds. Gets even more interesting proof God shows to disprove evolution, the deeper you go. Secondly- theres no evidence of any creatures slowly evolving thru periods they existed in. This proves- "Progression" not evolution. If interested more, let me know. Take care and god Bless!


Posted by: alisha119

We were created or we wouldn't be here. God does have an abundance of plans. If He wanted us to evolve from monkeys then so be it. In the grand plan, it does not really matter. God does have ways of getting things done. We may not like them, we may not even want to believe them, but they just are. So why should we let it break up our faith?? This was not His intentions.


Posted by: GA5966

I know without a doubt we were created here is why.
1) Gen 1:25-27

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
KJV


2) If we evolved from apes why are there still apes in the world they would all have evolved.

3) Have you ever seen any animal turn into another completely different animal?

4) 2 Tim 3:7-12

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
KJV


Scientist are constantly making new discovery's but never finding the truth which is right before them.

One more tid bit of information you may find interesting. Darwin himself on his death bed renounced his Theory of Evolution as false.


Posted by: christythompson

Bah Humbug!!! No!!


Posted by: talena

I have tried forever to get creation back in school, as an alternative theory to evolution. Finally, last year a school board, here in GA (Cobb County) forced their teachers to put stickers on science books that said evolution was a theory and students should approach the topic critically. Last month, STATE COURT ruled the stickers unconstitutional, alluding creation and thereby breaching seperation of church/state laws, etc... The stickers have been removed and no one else has been able to appeal and get another court to hear it.

Our hands are tied thanks to the courts.

I really want to get an extracurricular class in schools that involves Biblical studies. Something along the line of a Christian Theology class. I went before Mr. Johnston here in Dalton. The school board says the issue is getting teachers to teach those kind of classes and getting the state to pay those kind of teachers. Schools are so understaffed as it is. BUT, he seemed to allude that it would be no problem as long as he could get the staff.

SO...in my way of thinking. If more christian teachers would be willing to volunteer some time to teach this, we could work this out. But, it is hard to live off a volunteer's pay.

Please help me pray about this.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Talena- (and others)- one of the ways I convinced our school to allow creation from the Bible taught, was convincing our school board, there is no seperation of Church and State, when science teaches it's own form of "religion" in teaching evolution. I have no idea if still going on now. (Been out of school awhile).


Posted by: MarkSentMe

The whole Seapration of Church and State thing really has gotten out of hand. Most people do not know what that means. Some people (including a non-believing friend of mine who happens to be a teacher) thinks that anything remotely non-secular violates the Separation of Church and State amendment.

I personally see nothing wrong with teaching BOTH versions of how we got here and letting our children use their critical thinking skills to decide which they would like to believe. My daughter was taught in school the Theory of Evolution. I told her, it's a THEORY. It's not written in stone and it is being challenged every day. Pastor Todd took it one step further this past Sunday with the phrase: "You can bet DARWIN believes in God now!"
On the NASCAR message board I frequent there was an interesting and civil exchange between an atheist and a Christian on this very subject. The atheist made a very good point. For all the theorizing they have done on evolution and the so-called 'proof' they have, there is NO evidence of transitional species. They have such-n-such up to a certain point, then nothing, and then there is something else. His idea is that in the case of the skeletal remains which appear to "evolve", we are looking at the same species but at different life stages. Hmmm Sure beats the idea that we started out as apes.


Posted by: GA5966

Sepration of Church and state was written due to presucution that the early settelers had endured in England for wanting the truth to be the foundation of theier lives. What was meant by the whole thing was that Government could not make laws concerning matters of the church. Not that the church wasn't to influence the state. The devil alwaystwist the truth and that he is good at. He has blinded the country from the truth that lies in our constitution and other documents that our country was founded on. Our forefathers were Christians and wanted their families future to be as God wanted it free to worship and to study his Word as they desired. The intent of this Church/State separtion has been perverted and somewhere down the line we thought "well the laws will protect our right to worship" when we should have been standing up and making God's voice heard loudly. But we sat back and allowed Roe Vs. Wade, and other cases to undermine what the Bible says is right. We stood back and did nothing as Christians when the Ohare case was allowed to take prayer from our schools. We said nothing when evolution was began to be taught as truth instead of theory. We can't lay all the blame on our government, we were to be God's mouth and we let him down. Now we suffer the consequences of being silent when God wanted us to speak up.


Posted by: oneofgodsworkers

hey Ga5966, AMEN and AMEN. for when we should stand for our Lord we tend to turn tail and run. Question? where would we be if the deciples would have just kept the Blessed Gospel to themselves or to the Jews only? Let me expound a little(WE WOULDN'T BE SAVED AND HEADED TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH OUR FATHER) It is time for all true believers to stand up for our God and strenghten our backbone and concern ourselves with others and their needs insted of our own greedy desires. LET US PUT GOD THE FATHER,GOD THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IN TOTAL CONTROL OF THIS LIFE!!!!

IT IS TIME TO LAY THIS LIFE IN THE FATHERS HANDS TO DO WITH AS HE PLEASES AND NOT DO WITH IT AS WE PLEASE.
SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS RIGHTOUSNESS AND ALL THESE THINGS WILL BE ADDED UNTO YOU.


Posted by: theSam

Evolution is still happening today. I like to look at is as God's way of creation, a continual process. If evolution doesnt exist, then why are their different breeds of dogs if Noah only brought 2 on to the arc? Think about that.

And also, I believe seperation of church and state is a very very good thing that our founding acounted for when they wrote the constitution...thats why its first on the list. And not all of the founding fathers were christian. They were children of the enlightenment in Europe and Ben Franklin might actually have been a satanist.

you cant teach creation in schools, bc there is no science to it.


Posted by: akabezalel

Hi Sam!

If you came here looking for a fight... you came to the wrong place.

We may or may not agree with you and we will let you know what we believe and why we believe it but we will not fight with you.

Listen up everyone! We are going to watch this thread closely and if there is ANY trouble, arguing, flaming or nastiness it will be deleted so keep it friendly and a witness.

akabezalel - Super Moderator


Posted by: theSam

No way do i want a fight, not at all. We are all on the same side as Gods church. Im not angy and I just thought i would put in my 2 cents.


Posted by: akabezalel

I am very glad to hear that Sam!

We get so many who come here to fight that I occassionally need to post a warning on hot buttons.

We are all at different levels of maturity and some of us don't control anger very well yet when it comes to what we believe.

Welcome Home to Anointed.net, Sam!

Carol


Posted by: theSam

Glad to be here. thanks for the welcome.... now back to my question. Where did all the different breeds of dog come from if Noah only took 2 dogs onto the ark?


Posted by: akabezalel

All of the changes that are made in dog breeds are already present in the parent dogs. People are just selecting the characteristics that they want and in breeding to that end. This is not evolution. This is what Jacob practised with God's aid when he bred all spotted sheep and goats in the Bible. Evolution is a change in the basic DNA of the creature. DNA has a range of change that is acceptible within any breed or genus of animal, evolution is the theory that deep changes in the DNA have occured that make a creature not what it was before.

I don't know if that is clear, I know what I am trying to say but I don't think I am saying it clearly... sorry.


Posted by: theSam

Sorry it took me so long to respond. My computer is messed up.
What you said is true. What you described is evolution. Every once in a while, an animal will have a mutation, like a rabbit that is normaly black will be white.
An ice age comes and the white rabbit blends into its environment much better than the black one, and so it has a better chance ror survival. Thus, it reproduces while the others die off and white rabbits flurish. Evolution is really nothing more than this.
I dont really see this as taking any of God's credit away. If anything, it makes his creation all the more perfect, that life can happen in almost any condition through his design.


Posted by: Christian Commando

I'd like to interject some interesting facts here, relating to the question about different breeds of dogs. For people who think God only had one pair of just one breed of animal go on the Ark with Noah, think again.

Gen. Chapter 6:19- And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the Ark.

This to me sounds like God is saying two of every breed, not just one breed of one species- "of every living thing", "two of every sort".

Again, God says in vs 20- "two of every sort".

Another point- There is no true ability for any living creature to be able to mutate. As this would require the genetic makeup of a creature to be able to change in a way, that would allow something to develope within or on it's body, which is not natural for it to produce.

Akabezalel was right in stating the color patterns of dogs are not from evolution but genetic patterns of earlier parents in the blood line. That is clearly "progression" which God shows in His Word.

It was believed for many years, the cockroach could mutate in order to be killed by one insecticide, then be ammune to it after that. WRONG! It was found, thru studies of this, it was not mutation but the ability to "adapt". It's immune system simply changed it's chemical in thier bodies that could combat the insecticide.

I've known family's that the parents had all one color hair, and 3 of four children had the same color hair, but one of them had a different color. This is not evolution. It is progression, based on the fact that a genetic sequence from a past parent with that color hair became prominant in that child's genetic sequencing when first concieved.

Evolution has pretty much been "blown out of the water" as it were, since a form of radiation that lasts only milliseconds was found fossilized in granite rock, believed by secular and Christian scientists to be earth's foundational rock.

It's impossible now to think it could've taken millions or billions of years to form granite, and still be able to fossilize this radiation in it at the same time. This proof backs up God in Genesis 1:1- where God declares He made the Heaven and the earth. It was made instantaneously.

I pray this helps understanding of God's "progression" and not evolution.

God Bless!!