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Pro-Homosexual Agenda

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Posted by: eagle4him

The homosexual agenda has more at stake than just same-sex marriages. Already legal in the state of Massachusetts, now California just passed a bill similar in its meaning, and awaiting the approval of Governor Swartzeneger.

But there is something deeper at stake here, the very natur of our Christian faith. The homosexual agenda is trying to get passed legislation at the national level that would have a direct impact on every 501-c3 Corporation, the non-profit corporations most churches are.

If passed, this new legislation would make it illegal to not have a homosexual, or gay person on staff or the tax-exempt status would no longer be valid.

What this means is that in order for churches to continue to business the way they are, they will have to have gay people on staff. This will compromise the beliefs of most Christian ministries, and give the enemy a foothold into the congregations. The other choice would be for churches to forgo their tax-exempt status and continue to operate the same way they are, only have to pay taxes like a regular corporation.

The next step will be to get it illegal to preach against homosexuality acts, the sins of sodomy according to the holy Bible. In Europe and around the world preachers are already being jailed for doing this, America is next!

There are areas of the country in which the gay lifestyle is targeted to young children through approved books in elementary schools. The devil is targeting the entire nation in order to wear us down. Be dilligent! Be vigilant. For the enemy sneaks around like a lion seeking whom he can destroy.

Hollywood has always been a friend of the gay population. TV shows depict homosexuality and sexual perversion as if it is the norm, rather than the abomination that God sees it as. Just a few are: Will & Grace, Queer eye for the straight guy there's wife swap, sex in the city, now there's californication, gay fashion consultants and hairstylist shows, and on and on. It just won't stop!

TV and Internet porn are multi-billion dollar industries. So is Madison avenu advertising. Your very morals are under attack every time you drive down the highway, turn on the TV or radio, or log on to your computer without filters. All this barrage of sight, sound and voice of darkness can wear you down if you are not careful. Many pastors, preachers and evangelists have recently stumbled into sexual sins. One survey has said that 40% of Pastors in thsi country are already admitting to some sort of trouble in their marriage of a sexual nature. Why? The sexual temptations are the most powerful known to man.

The solution: the power of Jesus is more powerful to man than any temptation!

Pray for your schools. Pray for your government leaders. Pray for your spouses and your children! Pray for your pastors. Pray for your president. Pray, pray, pray and do the word of God, don't just be hearers of it!


Posted by: Dálach

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Originally Posted by eagle4him
The homosexual agenda has more at stake than just The homosexual agenda is trying to get passed legislation at the national level that would have a direct impact on every 501-c3 Corporation, the non-profit corporations most churches are.

If passed, this new legislation would make it illegal to not have a homosexual, or gay person on staff or the tax-exempt status would no longer be valid.

What this means is that in order for churches to continue to business the way they are, they will have to have gay people on staff. This will compromise the beliefs of most Christian ministries, and give the enemy a foothold into the congregations. The other choice would be for churches to forgo their tax-exempt status and continue to operate the same way they are, only have to pay taxes like a regular corporation.


Do you have a bill number for this legislation? What is your source for this information?


Posted by: eagle4him

for starters you have California legislation AB849 and Proposition 22

at the national level you have HR1592 and SR1105

there are others as well. Will have to get back on these.


Posted by: Dálach

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Originally Posted by eagle4him
for starters you have California legislation AB849 and Proposition 22

at the national level you have HR1592 and SR1105

there are others as well. Will have to get back on these.


Please do get back with something contemporary. California Assembly Bill 849 was passed and vetoed two years ago. It is not a current bill at all. California Proposition 22 was passed in the year 2000.

At the national level, I've read the text of both resolutions and I don't see where any Believer should have a problem with them. Neither of them has anything to do with saying from a pulpit that homosexuality is a sin. They both say that you cannot burn someone at the stake for being gay. They also say that you can't shoot people of color from the pulpit.

Are we, as believers, against protecting people from bodily harm based on their skin color or sexual behavior?

Do a simple google search and look at the actual resolutions. There is nothing there that should frighten any believer.


Posted by: MarkSentMe

I just finished a book titled "The Gay Agenda" by Ronnie W. Floyd.

This book is an eye-opener for every believer. His sources are many and his points are valid without being gay-bashing.
There is a Christian talk-radio host, Mike DelGiorno who speaks openly against the gay agenda.
My daughter is a sophomore in a public high school. Openly homosexual children will kiss in the hallways and teachers are powerless to say anything. Why? Because if they try to stop the gay kids from kissing and miss ONE heterosexual couple kissing, they will put the school at risk of a discrimination lawsuit.


Posted by: eagle4him

The biggest problem for the church is that of the 501c3 tax-exempt status that it gets when it applies as a non-profit corporation. It does not get any rights, as rights are for people, and the corporation is not a person. Instead it has benefits, and it has advantages, all at the direction of the state and federal governments.

Be in the world but do not be a part of it. Churches are aoutomatically tax-exempt by the first amendment, that Congress will not make any laws against them. Donations to churches are aoutomatically tax-exempt under (I think ) rule 170.

When the one that issues the tax-exempt status, the government doesn't like what it hears, it can change the rules, or change the tax-exempt status of the church. It can also seize all of the assets of the church and it has done this before.

So when Pastors preach against the sin of homosexuality, and they should, like they should preach against all sins, they may run the risks of losing their tax-exempt status.

Government can and has imposed rules and regulations on corporations. The tax laws are always changing. Why trust the same government that allows abourtion and in some states same-sex marriages to give sound rules to the churches. Why get involved with the tax-exempt status in the first place.

Be a church, preach the gospel, and take your tax deductions according to the constitution without the government intervention. That is just my opinion.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Too much of the time, I see reports coming to fear things getting worse. Well, consider God's Word why don't we-

1- Christ declares in the signs He gives of these "Last Days" evil will wax worse, till it reaches a level as it was in Noah's day.

But, do we need to worry? No. Why?

2- God declares He is the Creator of all things.

3- He is in control of all things.

Yes, we are still to strive to keep His Word and way of life alive and spreading, particularly for eternal life. Yet, as we do this, not to be in fear of evil taking over, for God will, as prophecied, never let that happen.

Let us stay focused on the positive, that God is ever present and working still, in our midst and this world. thus, we should fear not, for thou art with me.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Dálach

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Originally Posted by eagle4him
The biggest problem for the church is that of the 501c3 tax-exempt status that it gets when it applies as a non-profit corporation. It does not get any rights, as rights are for people, and the corporation is not a person. Instead it has benefits, and it has advantages, all at the direction of the state and federal governments.

Be in the world but do not be a part of it. Churches are aoutomatically tax-exempt by the first amendment, that Congress will not make any laws against them. Donations to churches are aoutomatically tax-exempt under (I think ) rule 170.

When the one that issues the tax-exempt status, the government doesn't like what it hears, it can change the rules, or change the tax-exempt status of the church. It can also seize all of the assets of the church and it has done this before.

So when Pastors preach against the sin of homosexuality, and they should, like they should preach against all sins, they may run the risks of losing their tax-exempt status.

Government can and has imposed rules and regulations on corporations. The tax laws are always changing. Why trust the same government that allows abourtion and in some states same-sex marriages to give sound rules to the churches. Why get involved with the tax-exempt status in the first place.

Be a church, preach the gospel, and take your tax deductions according to the constitution without the government intervention. That is just my opinion.



Because this no longer fits under the topic of "News", I will reply to it in the "Christian Discussions" forum.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well, I have a question on that tho eagle4him-

If our battle is not of the flesh, but of the spirit, and Satan wants to dethroe God and take all Glory and control from Him, what makes anyone think, changing the tax statis of a Church is going to effect thier ability to preach or teach against sins the world accepts?

Satan is as God declares, the god of this world system, so regardless if a Church is tax exempt or not, Satan would go against it preaching against that which he- Satan stands for. Besides that, taking on a taxable statis, may just open up more control the government would have over it than if tax exempt.

My thinking is, leave thier statis as provided, as is, and be in prayer to God for His Churches to keep the "religious freedoms" they enjoy now, and prevent any other controls from being put upon them.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Dálach

Well, I tried to post this last night, hit 'post' and it vanished. It probably showed up in some poor sod's e-mail.

The problem with the whole 501(c)3 thing is that the church isn't an organization with an address. It isn't a building with a staff. The church isn't Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran or Pentecostal. The Church is people from all of those groups and many others who don't fit into those molds.

The Church is not limited to geographical boundaries or a particular language.

The Church is the Bride of Christ. Worldwide!

At some point in time - probably very soon - the church in the USA will fall under persecution. The buildings will burn and the 'leadership' will be imprisoned or worse. Will that stop the Church? No... because the Church isn't about buildings or charismatic leaders. The Church is about Jesus and you can't stop her by persecuting or imprisoning her.

When that happens... who's going to care about tax status??? All we're going to care about is those words, "Fear not, for I am with you."

Peace,
~Archie


Posted by: eagle4him

CC:
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Satan was already defeated and now he cannot "dethrone" God, no he wants to take as many to hell with him as he can.

Absolutely changing the tax statusof the church will change a church's ability to preach the truth, which if the pro-gay agenda has their way, preaching against homosexuality would not be allowed. Churches all around the world are being persecuted for preaching against homosexuality already and other sins. The United States is next. In fact, several Senators have tried to enact this hate-crime legislation. Pastors are already imprisoned in Canada and Sweden. Open your eyes!

Already Pastors cannot endorse political candidates from the pulput or loose their tax-exemtp status. That is fact today! So who is in control?

At least we agree on one thing: Pray! Pray for the church that Jesus is building. Pray for your pastors. Pray for your government leaders.

We also agree that Satan is god of this worldly system, which of course is the IRS and Federal government. Therefore, this is where the "churches" get their tax-exempt status from.

I am just saying, watered down, as a caution to the churches that they may have give up their tax-exemtp status in the future in order to continue preaching God's holy truth. That's it!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well, sorry, I disagree. For as soon as a Church would go tax statis, now they are claiming to fit within the "State" of which theres been a battle for decades over the "seperation of Church and State", which would cause even more unnecessary trouble for Churches. Nope, I still disagree.

Besides, Dalach is right, the Church is really no building, but actually us, people- "Know ye not that ye are the Temple of God?" So, in Truth, it wouldn't make a difference.

Yet, we have already seen the "Church of God" under persecution here in the US. No, not at too great a level, but its already here and from some outside foreign entities or groups to an extent as well. We've all heard the news reports, so its there. Just know, it will as declared, get worse over time. God prophecied this- (for the "Body" in general that is), so we- US are included in that.

Also, know that in essence, Satan does want to "dethrone" God, by taking all praise and worship away from Him. Otherwise, Satan would not go thru the trouble to bring up all these false doctrines to follow him instead of God, imitating God's good ones, nor would he, as the anti-christ, sit on the throne in the last Temple built in Jerusalem, claiming himself as god, during the Trib Period.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Samuel_W

yeah, the people are the Church. But if we stay silent on this issue, then we intentionaly allow the enemy a foothold into our meeting places. Because, if we do not show that we are against this legislation that allows the Federal Government to further control how we choose to worship, then we will loose everything that our founding fathers faught for so their children could grow up in a country where the gov. could not control the church and use it to take advantage of the people. We, Americans, are blessed with a constitution that gives more power to the people than the federal gov. Because of this, we have a duty to organize and not fight amongst ourselves when the government tries to invade the way we worship.


Posted by: Dálach

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Originally Posted by Samuel_W
yeah, the people are the Church. But if we stay silent on this issue, then we intentionaly allow the enemy a foothold into our meeting places. Because, if we do not show that we are against this legislation that allows the Federal Government to further control how we choose to worship, then we will loose everything that our founding fathers faught for so their children could grow up in a country where the gov. could not control the church and use it to take advantage of the people. We, Americans, are blessed with a constitution that gives more power to the people than the federal gov. Because of this, we have a duty to organize and not fight amongst ourselves when the government tries to invade the way we worship.


That would be true, perhaps, if the legislation in question had anything to do with curbing free speech, but it doesn't.

The bill addresses "willfully causing bodily injury to any person" (as well as "attempts to cause bodily injury to any person") because of "actual or perceived ... gender, sexual orientation, [or] gender identity." The bill does not "criminalize negative comments concerning homosexuality," nor would it make "calling the practice of homosexuality a sin from the pulpit a 'hate crime'." The bill has nothing to do with the issue of speech; it only prescribes criminal penalties for the willful infliction of bodily injury on others.

In fact, the version passed by the House on 3 May 2007 includes the clause:

"Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution."

So relax, have a warm beverage and realize that Father knows what He is doing. He's got you covered.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Samuel_W-

Quite right, if were a pertinant point in this issue at this time. But, so far it is not as Dalach has shown, it has no direction whatsoever pointed at this issue discussed here. If had, this discussion would not have continued as it has.

Points have been made by some here, that certain aspects of our "religious freedoms" are already gone from parts of our social structure. No, they are not. If they were, there'd be no battle still going on to totally remove God from those aspects. But, the battle is still there, in schools, in government, etc, therefore, God is not totally removed, but may have been "hampered" in some areas.

Know this tho, God is in control, and will see to it, He is never completely removed from anything before Christ returns.

God's Children do need to bring up situations as they arise. But, it must be kept in context, when problems are here or at least, starting, not already over with. Since the info used to back up whats going on is 5-7 years past and over with, let us not worry about such things unless newly revived current attempts appear and we need to bring up discussions about it again, or they've changed to attack from other directions.

*Forgive me for not adding this sooner, but did some checking on what was mentioned about Canada and Sweden already having too much control over Churches in thier Countries.

It should be pointed out, that both of those Countries, are basically, completely government controlled. The general population has very little if anything to say how things will go. Plus, they've been that way most of thier existance.

But, that is not the US and while we may be allowing more controll of government over us, its been our choice, not the governments. Court cases that should be settled and left to decisions by lower municiple or State Courts, end up pushed up to the "Supreme Court" of the US Government.

Who did that? People living in this Country. Regular citizens. Then, once a decision is reached, usaully appeals are filed, and going thru our government Congress, Senate, etc to seek law changes. Who does that? "We the people".

So I wouldn't do a whole lot of complaining anymore about government control over more of our lives, knowing its civilian stupidity for pushing things, that allow and finally convince our government to step in and change things.

Rather, lets get out and speak to the people of our Country to start standing up for what is right and of good report before God, to bring back true morality as the majority in place of the now immoral majority. And keep praying to God to lead us and raise up more warriors for this cause for Him.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

There are now and have alrady been more attempts to attach hate crimes legislations to other legislation currently before congress. there is even one pending right now on the war funding bill.

this thread was started with the hopes of getting people to pray and vote for God's truth to prevail, not argue over current or past legislation. I have been accused of lying by using old bills and legislation, which was never my intent.

I ahve been away from my computer for a while, so i am just now getting back, and heard just the other day on the news about the pro-gay agenda.

You can stick your head in teh sand and say everything in God's house is fine and in order, or you can read the bible, payign close attention especially to the chapter by jude and listening to the instructions of Paul, Peter and Jesus concerning the end times just before Jesus returns.

No, don't take my word for it read it for yourself. The church is a mess just before Jesus returns! Love has turned cold--or in other words people "hate" each other.

There is a great apostasy--or falling away which bring power to the antichrist!

Give the pro-gay agenda an inch, then they will take a mile. soon they will have invaded the pulpits, and taken control over the freedom of religion.

I agree with CC about speaking out on the issues, praying and seeking God!


Posted by: Christian Commando

My Dear Bro in Christ-

You know, we aren't here to argue with you either. The fact is, you just hadn't researched the info you used to make your original point, which was proved already in the past and behind us, as well as inaccurately shared for content.

So what if you heard about it again? I hear people talking about it almost every day, and the "gay" issue has been going on now for decades. But, the issue here is, is there anything going thru right now, this moment, that is important enough to know, what it is, what it exactly pertains to, for what it intends to control- (specifically) and who it will effect?

If want to speak out about such subjects, be sure before doing so, of the main focal points of the info you use to back up your statements. That you know exactly what the focal point is aiming at, before jumping the gun with false accusations on something it never addressed.

What is our purpose here? To Glorify God in all we say and do. right? It is Glorifying God to bring up such issues. It is not Glorifying God, to try and beat on already dead carcasses, particularly with unfounded claims. We must stay current with prominant issues and be praying over those important in the present, not the past, and accurately.

You've misunderstood us in thinking we believe all is fine in "God's house". We know as well as you Satan is attacking all facets of it. But know this- There would be no attacks if God was not still involved. Thats why God's children are praying and using His Word to stand on, against those attacks.

Rather than just telling about another attempt happening, look into it and show us here what it is, what it covers and what it states "exactly", so we can come before God legitamently and seek His help for a direct petition to Him about it. Let us not spread anymore false assumptions or accusations about such subjects, as that just shows those who do so, are no better than those they slander against. (You know what God declares about false accusers and asking amiss).

By "slander", I'm talking about the false assumptions made about the past bills etc that had been vetoed, which still had nothing to do with accusations made, in thier "exact" statements which was clarified as the opposite later.

We aren't sticking our heads in the sand my friend. We are just being sure, that what is being presented, deserves the attention asked for and is accurate enough to petition God about.

As God's Children, we are to be loving and accepting of those people. Just not the false doctrine. But to keep in mind, its an attack of Satan, that we must approach God, earnestly and honestly, according to info. we gain, to accirately approach God in prayer for it.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Dálach

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
My Dear Bro in Christ-

You know, we aren't here to argue with you either. The fact is, you just hadn't researched the info you used to make your original point, which was proved already in the past and behind us, as well as inaccurately shared for content.

So what if you heard about it again? I hear people talking about it almost every day, and the "gay" issue has been going on now for decades. But, the issue here is, is there anything going thru right now, this moment, that is important enough to know, what it is, what it exactly pertains to, for what it intends to control- (specifically) and who it will effect?

If want to speak out about such subjects, be sure before doing so, of the main focal points of the info you use to back up your statements. That you know exactly what the focal point is aiming at, before jumping the gun with false accusations on something it never addressed.

What is our purpose here? To Glorify God in all we say and do. right? It is Glorifying God to bring up such issues. It is not Glorifying God, to try and beat on already dead carcasses, particularly with unfounded claims. We must stay current with prominant issues and be praying over those important in the present, not the past, and accurately.

You've misunderstood us in thinking we believe all is fine in "God's house". We know as well as you Satan is attacking all facets of it. But know this- There would be no attacks if God was not still involved. Thats why God's children are praying and using His Word to stand on, against those attacks.

Rather than just telling about another attempt happening, look into it and show us here what it is, what it covers and what it states "exactly", so we can come before God legitamently and seek His help for a direct petition to Him about it. Let us not spread anymore false assumptions or accusations about such subjects, as that just shows those who do so, are no better than those they slander against. (You know what God declares about false accusers and asking amiss).

By "slander", I'm talking about the false assumptions made about the past bills etc that had been vetoed, which still had nothing to do with accusations made, in thier "exact" statements which was clarified as the opposite later.

We aren't sticking our heads in the sand my friend. We are just being sure, that what is being presented, deserves the attention asked for and is accurate enough to petition God about.

As God's Children, we are to be loving and accepting of those people. Just not the false doctrine. But to keep in mind, its an attack of Satan, that we must approach God, earnestly and honestly, according to info. we gain, to accirately approach God in prayer for it.

God Bless!!


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