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Hate Crimes legislation
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Posted by: eagle4him
This is a separate movement authored by Senator Kennedy D- Mass, in order to attach the pro-gay movement's agenda to the funding legislation for the War in Iraq. President Bush has stated publicly that he will veto this, but it has yet to be given to him.
"The hate crimes measure seeks to add violence against individuals based on sexual orientation, gender, gender identity or disability to the list of federal hate crimes. If passed, the federal government would be more involved and have greater power to investigate alleged hate crimes".
..."Many Christian leaders fear that the hate crime bill will inhibit pastors from speaking about homosexuality as a biblical sin and be interpreted in a way that bans even peaceful speech against the lifestyle. As example, leaders have pointed to hate-crime laws in England, Sweden and Canada, where Christians have been prosecuted for breaking these laws.
Furthermore, in the United States, 11 Christians in Pennsylvania were prosecuted under the state’s hate crimes law shortly after “sexual orientation” was added as a victim category several years ago. According to reports, the ten adults and one teenager were singing hymns and carrying signs peacefully at a homosexual celebration in Philadelphia when they were arrested.
“The Hate Crimes Act will be the first step to criminalize our rights as Christians to believe that some behaviors are sinful,” Dr. James C. Dobson, founder"
--Christian Post, October 3, 2007
Please pray about this. This is serious stuff!
Posted by: Christian Commando
Dear Bro in Christ-
Find this bill, amendment, whatever and post its exact wordings here, that we can read and know for sure, how to petition God for this.
God Bless!!
Posted by: eagle4him
I do not have the bill, or its amendments in its total wording. However, that does not mean that it does not exist. Nor will I spend the time to read it. All of the major news reporting agencies, and Christian reporting pro-family groups have reported this, and that is good enough for me.
Similar House sponsored bills have passed and failed in the past, as reported in earlier posts, such as HR 1592, and HR 254.
What this amendments does is ties the President's hands in funding the war in Iraq.
Pray for your leaders. Pray for your president. Pray for the House of representatives, and your senators. Pray for the spirit of God over this nation. You don't need to read a bill to do this.
God bless!
Posted by: Christian Commando
Hey Bro in Christ-
We've covered a misguided petition before on this subject which turned out spirious- (untrue). Not that it did not exist, but was of old past news and the petition was asked out of personal, not accurate documented information. thus, our petitions to God in that context would've been given "amiss"- (targeted wrong), thus gone unheard and unanswered.
Others of us are just as concerned about this subject and its ramifications. But, it is our responcibility to be Glorifying God on this site, not uplifting and backing personal feelings.
As such, since we've been thru this before and the point clearly made at that time, either give us clear documented info direct from the bill(s), amendment(s), that we can lift up prayers that will be accurate and effective to be heard by God, or avoid seeking prayers for general information that has been proven emotionally driven and inaccurate before, thus seriously questinable now.
This responce is not mean't to hurt or deture anyones interest in sharing about important issues, but to show, God declares we will see unanswered prayers when ask "amiss", thus it is just as seriously important accurate proven info is shared, be it in general terms or specific, for petitioning God in context with Him, that they will be heard and not rejected.
God Bless!!
Posted by: eagle4him
Brian, just for the record this is a prayer request from my Bishop: Bishop Hall. I have united with him in bringing this request to this board. I will give you his e-mail address if you wish to argue with him. I am not interested in arguing with you or anyone else. I am concerned about the condition of the church today, and about the welfare of the citizens of this United States of America!
Brian these are the same prayer concerns, I made a mistake when pressured by you and others for bills and legal documentation. These are the same re-occurring pieces of legislation. The prayer request is still the same. The issues are still the same.
Stop trying to hinder this petition, and start praying for the cause, please I plead with youl. You seem to always want to be "right" when the truth is the homosexual agenda is still trying to take ground from the Lord. The congress and house are both coming up with bills to tie the hands of the President. All based on Political agenda, funded by liberals and private agendas, not what is best for the country.
It is a wast of my time to keep trying to justify myself to you. I will not! And I would appreciate it if you would stop trying to hinder the things I write here.
God bless you Brian.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Bro in Christ-
I do not understand how you claim we put pressure on you to "make a mistake", when you were simply asked for the info you were speaking about.
It was not until you shared the info, that anyone had spoken against what you claimed in your thread starter about the info given. And that was only after you were shown to have expressed emotional beliefs, clearly not backing up what you claimed the info was about.
When anyone chooses to speak out about something, it is thier responcibility to show viable info that backs thier statements or beliefs if asked for them. It was your responcibility to have that available for any who requested it.
When I share points, as from God's Word or other sources, I am responcible to show the Scripture references or sources, if asked for them. I cannot blame others for putting pressure on me, when I should have them available myself to show I'm in context and not out of context.
I'm seeking to uplift and Glorify God my friend, by helping, as I've been called here, to uphold all things that are of good report before God, which includes honesty and accuracy before God in the seeking of applying petitions to Him.
I'm sorry you feel offended by my responces, but it should be noted, we cannot continue with anymore such situations as seen with the last illegitament request for prayers based on emotional beliefs from false claims made about info shared.
Many of us are also concerned with the condition of the Church today. That does not give us the right to falsely accuse a situation or other, that clearly proves the opposite, to use it to convince people to pray for something not affected by that situation or other.
We do not want arguing here either Bro, but we do want people of good repute, who will be responcible enough to handle being honorable, honest and accurate before God when requesting petitions for us to pray about, that God will hear them.
You stated in your first post from the thread starter "nor do I have the time to read it". Well my friend, what hapened the last time you didn't "read it" and went on personal emotional feelings for false claims of what the last bill(s), amendment(s) you brought up stood for?
Do you honestly think doing such a thing is of God or accepted by Him? Where is the honesty, or honor for God in such things?
We love you greatly as a Brother in Christ, and you share some incredible insights at times that truely Glorify God, and we truely appreciate that. So, because we care so much for you and your insights, is it that negative for you when at times we are lead to speak a Truth to you when needed, to keep things in context to God?
We all need correction or further teaching at times. Being born in sin we all make our mistakes. The hardest part is, accepting when we are at fault and need to repent for that, ask forgiveness and go from there.
I pray this helps you understand where this is coming from, as Paul declared, God had made him all things to all people. But, not at the expense of sinning against God to try and Glorify Him.
God Bless!!
Posted by: eagle4him
I admitted that I made a mistake when I looked up the wrong bill number. But that in no way constituted a false claim. The claim is still the same. These are the exact same issues I talked about before. Homosexual agenda being pushed on our churches by legislation attached to war funding bills and also additions to the discrimination laws. They will have an affect on the church as we know it today. I am not going to read the entire congressional record, as these bills and their impact have already been reported on by all the major news sources, focus on the family and ohter ministry partners.
I don't mind correction when the correction is done to impart wisdom, rather than just to argue things that don't matter. It doesn't matter if it is bill #1 or bill #3, that does not change the material.
You however want to throw the entire prayer request out because this number of bill didn't match. How silly. Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
God bless you anyway, Brian. I just choose to disagree with you.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Eagle4him-
Thats good Bro that you admitted you made a mistae. But, in that post where you first mentioned it, you blamed others for causing you to do so. "Passing the buck" like that, is the whole reason man lives in sin today. Eve blamed the Serpent instead of admitted she did wrong. Adam blamed Eve for his wrong.
The point is, you asked for prayers concerning a bill that was going on, sharing what you considered was the point of that bill. When asled which one it was, you mistakenly gave us the wrong one. Thats fine.
Instead of responding back with retorical remarks, the least "Christ-like" thing you could've done, was to say you were sorry, then look up and share the correct one. You didn't. You chose rather, to get offended over simple requests and then respond negatively. There were no personal attacks against you, just a pointing out of the in-accuracies that would've mislead people to be praying wrongly to God.
"It doesn't matter if its bill #1 or bill #3, that does not change the material." I see, so we can pray for a "pro-gay" bill from 10 years ago to God today, about whats being presented right now, even tho it has nothing to do with the particular aspect this recent bill pertains to. (Even tho God tells us not to "ask amiss"). Interesting logic you propose.
You should know as well as I do, its better to petition God more specifically than just in general. The over-all results are much better. The more specific we can pray for a subject, the more specifically God can act upon our requests.
MMMM, so I wanted the whole thread thrown out? I suggest you show where I state that please. I was simply asking for more specific info, that we can pray for a specific "movement" as you called it, accurately to God, and not from personal feelings or emotions.
I'm sorry that you feel offended by all this. But you will have to accept that others are going to ask you for things at times and will need to swallow pride and calmy and lovingly follow thru, if you expect others to want to be involved with requests asked of them.
I ask that you would please be mature and responcible enough to back up your thread starter request with true accurate material we can petition God correctly about.
God Bless!!