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Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, you are right to some degree about Buddhism, but not completely. In addition, you miss my point by trying to prove me wrong. In its original form, as created by the Buddha, the religion is not dependant on a God or gods but teaches that a man can purify himself of all desire and completely destroy evil and suffering from his life. The Buddha reasoned that if he could bring himself to a point where he no longer desired anything than he would no longer suffer. The God of the Bible created desire and desire, when kept in accordance with His plan and purposes is very good. The problem comes when our desires turn us away from God and His commands, this becomes idolatry. The original Buddhists worship themselves, they believe that they are the ones who possess the power to purge themselves from evil. Jesus Christ said that apart from Him we are spiritually dead and unable to become truly righteous. Only by faith in Him and His death for us can we be cleansed and freed from sin. When we receive Him as our Lord He becomes a part of us and enables us by His power to become holy and righteous. This power does not lie in any man apart from God. Could you really believe in a religion that teaches against desire and passion?
Secondly, there are many forms of Buddhism today. Many Buddhists bow down and worship before the many statues, idols, of the Buddha. They have made the Buddha a "god" whom they worship. Finally, once again, you missed my original point. How can you give me more proof of the truth of Buddhism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, evolutionism, etc, than I gave you for my faith in and knowledge of Jesus Christ?


Posted by: david arroyo

And Bob, what is the Bible wrong about? I have known scholars who tore the Bible apart looking for flaws and in the end they became believers because of the magnificance of the Book. The Bible is Divinely inspired, but it was also written by many men over the span of fifteen hundred years. Yet it all fits togethor and points to Jesus. Scientists who have studied the creation account in Genesis have become believers because it is the Truth and it is the most POWERFUL BOOK I HAVE EVER READ OR SPOKEN, IT IS THE WORD OF THE LORD!


Posted by: Junior Ward

praise God for his love, mercy, and grace. bob i have been a christian for 11 years now. I was an addict and alcholic it was only by the grace of God that i quit the addiction I could not do it myself I had to have some help from the Lord. Heaven and hell is as real as the things you see around you each day. people you have to show a man that he's lost before you can get him saved. bob i am going to start praying for you that God will start convicting your heart. the first signs of wisdom is the fear of God. I remember the deep convition that i was under. I was afraid of dieing and going to hell God let me know that i was going to spend eternity in Heaven or hell. Dear God i just pray for bob that you will just start speaking to his heart, i pray that you will show him that he is lost and that he needs a savior to keep him out of hell. I PRAY GOD that you would just show him your love and mercy for his soul. the BIBLE says how can you come unless you be drawed. no man cometh unto the father but by me. Bob i pray for you in love and as a friend.
with love jr. ward


Posted by: bob_the_fat

David you watch TV at all. How about the discovery channel or PBS. There was an 8 hour special on evolution. Think about that. Eight hours proving the idea of evolution. That's a lot of time. How many hours have gone into proving creation. A few thousand? Then why aren't there any specials about creation? Why aren't there any scientific documents proving the idea of creation? Why did the first established race (Babylonians) not worship god? I mean if it started with creation then you'd think that people would've believed in god a long time ago and wouldn't doubt it. Perhaps it is because he didn't create us? Ever think outside your little creation box? I have or else I wouldn't have come to Evolution.

About the Buddhists. According to you, all Buddhists have failed miserably at there attaining self worship and getting rid of desire completely don't believe me?

In its original form, as created by the Buddha, the religion is not dependant on a God or gods but teaches that a man can purify himself of all desire and completely destroy evil and suffering from his life. The Buddha reasoned that if he could bring himself to a point where he no longer desired anything than he would no longer suffer. The God of the Bible created desire and desire, when kept in accordance with His plan and purposes is very good. The problem comes when our desires turn us away from God and His commands, this becomes idolatry. The original Buddhists worship themselves, they believe that they are the ones who possess the power to purge themselves from evil. Jesus Christ said that apart from Him we are spiritually dead and unable to become truly righteous. Only by faith in Him and His death for us can we be cleansed and freed from sin. When we receive Him as our Lord He becomes a part of us and enables us by His power to become holy and righteous. This power does not lie in any man apart from God.


Sounds a little familiar myself. Have you even taken the time to think what life would be like without people who questioned against god? Think we would be living in a society with what we have? Sure, the people that invented things were i guess, devote christians and so forth. How bout the people that made it possible that they could think? Such as the Greek's (so little credit awarded to them). They were taught to think for themselves. Guess what happened? That man was executed. How about Galileo (sp?)? He has done a LOT for science don't believe me? don't talk to me please. He thought outside the box and thought that the earth was not the center of the universe and that we orbited the sun. Know what happened? He was put on trial for his thoughts because it contradicted the popular Christian belief. He was lucky he was friends with the pope. Or else he would've been executed a painful death. Instead he was imprisonned in his house.


I'd love to say more and so forth but finals week kind of takes some time later.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Bob,
Good luck on your finals.

Jan


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

amen am praying for you bob while you take your finals God Bless


Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, in my junior year in college I had a roomate, a freshman, who was running from God. He wanted to sleep around, party, have "fun" but he was always convicted in my presence. He knew he was sinning against God, his conscience knew it. He was a good friend but he was angry at life, his mom and dad. But ultimately he denied God because he did not want to submit his life to the Lordship of Christ.
I have read books on evolution, atheism, creation etc. I have learned much of other religions, I have known people who were devout Muslims and they had encounters with Jesus Christ. I have talked to Buddhists and atheists and witches who all confessed emptiness before knowing Jesus. I have heard of Muslims who were praying to Allah when Christ appeared to them, breaking the deception. I am not in a box, I am educated and knowledgable concerning people, its my job. I know when I see a drug addict weeping on the ground as God moves upon them and sets them free that Jesus is the only way. I wish I could talk to you in person because I fear that you will die in your sins. The shed blood of Christ is your only hope, my friend.
Concerning evolution, I do not have the time now but I can systematically break down the lie of evolution. I have a question for you. What would happen if suddenly everyone became an atheist? What if every church shut down? What if there were no conscience, no moral laws? What is keeping you from living like absolute hell to get what you want? If there is no God than why be kind? Why love? Why try? What is the purpose for your existence? Why study for finals? You are only an evolved monkey. You are formed from nothing and therefore you are god. You are the highest law. The greatest of all beings. Life is worthless. there is no value to a human being. We are all dust and ash. Why not kill, steal, destroy, whatever it takes to make you happy, because this is it, my friend. This is all there is. There is no hope. What if everyone believed like this? Scary.
I will give you my arguments for creation soon. But I will ask you this. Please answer this question for me. Would you, an intelligent person, and I believe you are intelligent, ever even think that a car could put itself togethor on its own. That it could just evolve from a pile of s**** metal? How much less could this universe, you and I, have just happened? It is not rational. It is not rational, Bob. It is not rational. It is not rational. It is not rational to think that the complexities of the hunman being could just evolve. It is not rational, Bob. Bob ask Jesus to reveal himself to you. Make a step of faith. Confess your sins to God, make Jesus your Lord, and you will know true Life.


Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, I will quickly give you something to think about. Our universe is called a "cosmos". The word "cosmos" comes from the Greek word kosmos which means "orderly universe". It is by the order of the universe that scientists can even study science because there are built in laws that govern the universe. The universe is so orderly in fact that if any of the thousands of conditions, such as the distance and the angle of the sun to the earth, were even slightly different than life would not be possible. There is a law called the "Second law of thermodynamics". This law simply states that anything that is organized, with time and if left unattended, becomes disorganized. The sun is burning out, people age, plants die, etc. This is the premier law of all science. This law tells us, and most modern day scientists, that the ordered universe could not have developed from chaos. Evolution goes against scientific research. Evolutionists believe that the ordered universe was created from chaos, by chance. This is scientifically impossible. The start of the universe must have been orderly. The fact that the universe is continually kept in order is also proof of the existence of God, who holds all things togethor. This "ordered" universe came about when God spoke the universe into existence. And finally, Bob, anyway you look at it something has existed forever. This fact alone will blow your mind if you meditate on it. Is it not easier for you to believe that An all wise Creator existed and created this ordered universe than to believe that some non-living chemicals always existed and "happened" to create all that you see? How can something that is non-living, non-spirit, create living, thinking, feeling creatures. Cannot happen.


Posted by: bob_the_fat

So nothing can come from chaos.... what about earth quakes. Sure, we know plate tectonics explains it. But didn't that come for normality... one second it's all peaceful and then the next it is.... well ... chaos eh? How about lightning. I mean that seems pretty chaotic how one jolt can kill you in an instant. That didn't come from no where. There was an abnormality in the positive and negative electromagnetic fields... everyone who doesn't know what electromagnetism is read something about string theory it's incredible. Anyway, the ground wasn't in "order" as you like to call it, but then it becomes in order when the lightning strikes and causes this eveness to come back. How bout the cell mutations of today. Paralysis from birth, birth defects from smoking. You with a crippled child must know that that wasn't order. If everything was "in order" then there wouldn't be much questioning going on.

I read an article i found saying something about all the things that creationists try to use against evolution. Forgot where it was but it explained every single arguement.

Anyway, I have a life that needs attending to i'll be back later.


Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, this will be my final post to you unless you ever really want to be made right with God. Your post made no sense. The second law of thermodynamics is a non-debatable issue. It is scientific fact. It is a God-created fact. Do you know that the human eye is made up of so many tiny electrical connections that it can handle 1 and 1/2 million messages at the same time? The human brain is more complex and organized than millions of books put together. The creation of God is wonderful, I am sad that you choose to deny the truth.


The Bible says that God has made Himself known by what is seen in creation, He has made it plain. Therefore, men are without excuse, for although they knew God they neither glorified Him as God nor gave Him thanks, but there thinking became futile and there foolish hearts were darkened.


Bob, you can never say that people did not care about you. You can never say that you were never told about Jesus. I also have a life but I choose to spend it helping people rather than taking and ridiculing. Rember these words, Jesus loves you and died for your sins. Call upon Him and you will be saved. Reject Him and you will be lost forever. When you are desperate enough, call upon the name of the Lord and He will save you.


Posted by: bob_the_fat

David, if you choose to read this... Why were there Neanderthals if we didn't evolve and we were created as is? How bout the Cromagtian (sp? it's a tuffy to remember). Also, what I was trying to say in the previous post is that trying to use the second law of thermodynamics against evolution is a clear misconception of the law. Why? Because things happen that aren't in order (i.e. lightning, earthquakes). Things happen today that come from disorder aight?


Posted by: bob_the_fat

All right David. I found the site that I was talking about. It is www.2ndlaw.com/evolution i think. My internet explorer messed up andso i lost it before i could copy it. Anyway if that doesn't make it seem possible for evolutoin than I need you to come up with you're own in depth analysis such as that all rihgt?


Posted by: babam

christiananswers.net has some interesting stuff on evolution.
Can you explain to me how someone with no bones in their ear suddenly goes from profound medically tested deafness to better than normal hearing without surgery only prayer? My non believing Doctor had to write healed through prayer on the medical notes.
Also, I never experienced spiritual attack until I believed in Jesus. I think it just comes down to faith. Faith is the key. It seems weak and wooley but so does some Jewish guy dying on a cross to save my sins, but at the end of the day its true. Jesus has risen from the dead and you will never know until you believe, and you will never believe unless you have faith, its a paradox. At the end of the day is it going to cost you anything to believe even for a moment? no, so maybe one day in the privacy of your own home ask Jesus to help you in all of this.


Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, I will respond to your last posts because you were not rude and I want you to understand. I looked at the evolution site you gave me, it is babble. Truly. How can one even speak about the complexeties and power of the atom, molecules, and chemical reactions without concern of the source of these chemicals. So, the atom is God. Because the atom always existed and it possess' the inherent power to create chemical reactions which in turn create an "orderly" universe, which in turn create life. I am sorry, but I laugh when I here these "intellectuals" trying to explain things which are too wonderful for explanation, as though the atom was never created. They mock the analogy of the car and watch but they fail to explain how the complexities and order of the atom and the cell came into being. Each cell is made up of "harmoniously coordinated parts and chemical pathways, Amino acids, Lipids, Porphyrin etc. How did these complex organisms always exist? And how can life begin from non-living orgamisms? This is a question no evolutionist can ever answer, period! Please don't listen to the mere theories of men without seriously exploring God's existence.

Do not by awed by the seeming "wisdom" of these people. There thinking is foolish and asinine. I am leading you to true wisdom which is God in the Person of Christ.

In response to the second law of thermodynamics. I am refering to an orderly and structured universe that is based and run on scientific laws. The universe is orderly. Are there not set seasons, set times of daylight and darkness, set laws of gravity, a set rotation of the earth, a set tilt of the earth to the sun, set laws that rule atoms and molecules, light and energy, set biological functions etc.? of course. No one denies that there is much chaos in this world, but there is not chaos in the laws and order of creation. For example, lightning occurs when certain factors come togethor. These are laws of nature, and they are orderly. Chaos does not create order, period. If your room is disorderly than it will only become ordered if you order it. It will not order itself. However, once you order it you must keep it in order or it will become disordered again, That is thermodynamics.

The Russian scientist Dr. Boris Dotsenko was the head of the nuclear physics department in the Institute of physics in Kiev, Russia. He was an evolutionist until he began to meditate on the order of the universe, he wrote this:

"As I thought about all of that, it suddenly dawned on me that there must be a very powerful, organizing force counteracting this disorganizing tendency within nature, keeping the universe controlled and in order. This force must not be material: otherwise it too would become disordered. I concluded that this power must be both ALL POWERFUL and ALL-KNOWING. There must be a God-one God- controlling everything."

Dr. Boris later found a Bible and soon after that found the God of the Bible who created the universe. He is now a physics teacher in Canada.

And finally, my friend, have you ever heard of KNM-WT-17000. This was a skull found in 1985. Pat Shipman, a paleontoloigist at John Hopkins school of medicine wrote concerning this find:

" What this new skull does , in a single stroke, is overturn all previous notions of early hominid evolution... The things we thought we understood reasonably well we don't." There is no evidence for the existence of a neandrathal or any sub-human life form.


And even if, as ridiculous as it is, a physical human could evolve, how do you explain the human heart, soul, and nature of a human. Did atoms create our emotions, our love, our conscience, our need for intimacy and friendship etc.? We are by nature curious spiritually and know we were created for something or Someone. This Someone is Jesus Christ.


Posted by: bob_the_fat

We are just animals after all. If you boil it all down. We just want to repopulate. And control our territory. The people who don't must fight the animal in themselves in order to deny this. When people are forced to not have sex, they start to have sex with little boys like the Catholic preists did. They cannot fight the urge within themselves for having a life of sex and control of a particular area for themselves.

If evolution and mutations don't exist (mutations as well because they sort of go together), then why are there so many mentally ill people. Why are particular things inside the body changed when exposed to radiation? Also, as I have read many times on many different websites DONT USE THE DICTOINARY FOR THE MEANING OF THEORY AND EVOLUTION. It isn't right. Those are the true meanings of either. If you believe that a theory is just a "theory" then I guess you don't agree with the Atomic theory of matter. Or any of the other theories that there are. Or VSPER theory (Valence Shell Paired Electron Theory). These have explained so much on so many levels. And no I have never heard of that skull or the scientist who found it. Nor have I seen anything on TV about the skull or the scientist explaining their thoughts. So who knows.


Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, When Jesus walked the earth He met a man in Jerusalem named Nicodemus. Nicodemus was a teacher of the law but he did not really undertand God's laws or ways. Jesus looked at him and told him that he must be born again if he truly wanted to enter into the Kingdom of God and understand God's ways.

God is waiting for you Bob, He is drawing you to Himself. When we truly receive Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are literally "born again". We are made new and made alive to God. It is true, it is impossible to fight the lusts within us apart from God, but with God, we can do all things. I am living proof of this. Many of the Catholic priests who molest and many of the church leaders who fall into sexual sin have not truly made Jesus their Lord. They have religion, but religion is not what we need. We need an authentic relationship with God, through Jesus, which empowers us to live holy and righteous lives.

Holiness is not equal to boring. God is the God of all adventure, beauty, sex etc. Sex is not evil, it is very good when done within the confines of the marriage covenant. Sex outside of marriage leads to emptiness, more lust, deeper perversion, and dissatisfaction. Sex within marriage leads to deep intimacy and fulfillment. This is God's way.

The Bible says that Light came into the world, but men loved darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. When it boils down to it, people supress the Truth of God because they love sin. But God so loved the world that He gave Jesus as a sacrifice so that anyone who believed in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life.

Bob, evolution is impossible and you know it. Look around you and ask yourself if all of this could be created by a couple of atoms coming togethor at great speeds.

Finally, defections, deformations etc, in humans are the result of sin entering the world. Sin is more devastating and destructive than we can imagine. It is rebellion against God and it unleashes forces of evil and wickedness that we cannot comprehend. God created all things good, things have become messed up because humanity continues to spur God's moral laws which are written in the hearts of men (conscience) and in His Word.


Posted by: Rev Patti

the world large company out there are pagan? hummm they make most of the soap u use some of the stuff u eat they supply the us with about 70% of the house good in ur home to look under the cabnet or in the shower hummmmmmm can name this company?


Posted by: StarChilde

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rev Patti
the world large company out there are pagan? hummm they make most of the soap u use some of the stuff u eat they supply the us with about 70% of the house good in ur home to look under the cabnet or in the shower hummmmmmm can name this company?



You would be speaking of Johnson and Johnson perhaps? They are said to be pagan, just because of their logo.Is there any proof behind their being pagan? Hmmmm I got the crescent moon and a star on my right hand as a tattoo... guess this means I am a pagan? NOT!!!!!


Posted by: Brother_Storm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamweaver


"Bob,
I agree that there are many things in the bible that don't make sense. I have a problem with those things also. I am not as tied to the bible as a lot of other Christians. My main reason is that the bible has gone through many interpretations but it is a marvelous source for reference. I rely more on my personal relationship with God to guide me. It is true that Christianity has had some black moments in history but Christians are humans and humanity is anything but perfect. I even know a few Christians that I think are some of the most disgusting people around. Even though I know these things it doesn't deter my relationship with God. It just makes me want to be a better Christian than them."



Greetings Jan,

Although I was removed from from one of the other forums, your webmster was gracious enough to provide me with a place in which to speak with others... hopefully intelligent conversations.

Prior to my leaving the church, many years ago, there were many things that I had asked of my pastors that made little sense to me. I did what many young people did (and still do) which was ask questions about things I didn't fully understand. Most of the time, I was given an answer which (most times) was totally unrelated to the question. But, regardless of what my question may have been about, I was told that I was to accept what was written as fact as I hadn't the religious training to prove or to question otherwise. I had the tendency to place people outside of their comfort zone.

As I grew older, my questions persisted and in due course, I was asked to leave my church because my questions could only come from a "crazy man". I have been physically removed from 2 Southern Baptist churches, by the pastors (Reverands) who felt that it wasn't my "place" to question anything that they spoke from behind the pulpits.

My older brother was forced to leave the same church when somebody from the congregation felt that it was wrong for him to physically comfort a child entrusted in his care. My older brother has always been a loving, caring soul and advocates strongly for the children.... he would never inappropriately touch a child in any form, as it is not his way. He still believes in the God of his upbringing and the annointed Son, but chooses to not carry on with those that would so wrongfully and maliciously attack him.

Like many families, I come from a mixed religious family.... my father was a Southern Baptist with a Cherokee heritage and my mother a Protestant from Bavaria, Germany. I am the first member of the family that has chosen to go on a spiritual journey of self discovery outside the religious beliefs of the rest my family. Though my choice of religious following may be frowned upon by many, I will always be who and what I am... most and foremost a man of peace, patience, understanding and open-mindedness. Though it isn't my place nor position in this life to knock the religious practices of another, I will respect their rights to worship as they so believe within their hearts and spirits.

You may ask yourself "What has this to do with what I (Dreamweaver) posted to Bob, so long ago?". Simply that there is much truth in what you wrote and it spoke loudly and clearly. You will pardon me if I quote you..."Even though I know these things it doesn't deter my relationship with God. It just makes me want to be a better Christian than them"... This I understand and respect deeply. Even if our individual religious concepts may differ and even though I know that whatever or whomever I encounter in this life won't deter my relationship with my Goddess. It will just make me desire to be a better Human Being than them and a better child of the Goddess.

Incidentally, in another thread you had voiced concerns regarding you grandchild and his (her?) sudden disbelief of God, and your asking of guidance from the sunday school teachers: Though it may sound strange, coming from somebody such as myself, I whole-heartedly agree with what was suggest by one of them: Be the example... live it, breathe it, show it. Show the child that it works for you and, in time, he will come back around. I, too, am a Grandparent (though it will be a number of years before I will have to deal with this situation with my grandchild) and I will only be able to prove myself to him by "practicing what I preach." (sorry, old habits do tend to die hard)

I look forward to discussing many things with you, in the future, Dreamweaver.

PAX,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: Brother_Storm

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Originally Posted by StarChilde
You would be speaking of Johnson and Johnson perhaps? They are said to be pagan, just because of their logo.Is there any proof behind their being pagan? Hmmmm I got the crescent moon and a star on my right hand as a tattoo... guess this means I am a pagan? NOT!!!!!


Greetings StarChylde

I wouldn't think that, actually...... though I might think that based on the selection of astrological icons (ie Crescent Moon and a Star), I would be thinking that you might be from Tunisia (as one of my foreign students, in college). You'll pardon the misspelling of your name, as I seem to recall a youth from several years back whose background and rebirth mirrors your own, ***-for-tat. Though it may be a wholly (pardon the pun) different person, what you write and how you present yourself gets the bells and whistles going.

PAX,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: StarChilde

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother_Storm
Greetings StarChylde

I wouldn't think that, actually...... though I might think that based on the selection of astrological icons (ie Crescent Moon and a Star), I would be thinking that you might be from Tunisia (as one of my foreign students, in college). You'll pardon the misspelling of your name, as I seem to recall a youth from several years back whose background and rebirth mirrors your own, ***-for-tat. Though it may be a wholly (pardon the pun) different person, what you write and how you present yourself gets the bells and whistles going.

PAX,

Brother_Storm

My first net nick was StarChilde & interesting, because there's been times I spelled it like that also due to someone else taking my spelling first...guess I didn't mention the blue rose bud on the same tat.I was just commenting on the moon & stars thing. My sister gave me a gift of a moon & a star, set in a stained glass type setting, inside a heart. Do I think it's pagan? naw.. my sister knows when I was little I use to sing God bless the moon, & God bless me.. God loves moon & God loves me. She also knows I love looking at the brilliant stars God created...holes in the sky where heaven shines through! I know...unrealistic...nice thought though.
a two yr. old beckons...and my name is mom... nuf' said!

just noticed the goddess reference to jan.....goddess???


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_the_fat
We are just animals after all. ..... When people are forced to not have sex, they start to have sex with little boys like the Catholic preists did. They cannot fight the urge within themselves for having a life of sex and control of a particular area for themselves.



This is so funny I must step in:

Bob's theory of man is there was a soup in the ocean,
it formed a primordial ooze
it then formed a tadpole
it then formed something that grew legs and went on shore
it then became some kind of ape
it then went to the zoo
it then became you.

God's word said I was made in the image of God.
Gen 1:28 "Let us make man in our image"

Now here is the dilemma:
Did you come from ooze
or
Did you come from a God.


It has always been your choice.

This is so funny it makes me laugh
Satan wants you to think of yourself as a toad
God wants you to think of yourself as His child.

Are you a toad or
Are you a child of God?

It is your choice!


You said: "They cannot fight the urge within themselves for having a life of sex and control of a particular area for themselves"

Bob I can tell you have never been married. You are condemning every husband and wife who has a disabled or sick spouse as adulters. You are saying that we are controlled by hormones not love and integrity. Oh my friend maybe that is how you are but there are millions who live by a higher standard of love. I feel so sorry for you because you are saying that no matter who you are married to you will have to follow your hormones and have sex like an animal with whomever you please. I hope you tell you girl friend that before you marry her. And then when you get married and have children I can see you explaining to them that you could not help yourself.


Posted by: JG

To all my Dear Friends:

For the first time I am allowing some Non-Believers
who are witches and warlocks onto this thread and this thread only. If you see them on the rest of the forum please tell me. If you see them or anyone else post anything on any other thread please let me know. I have a way of only allowing them to post here and here only. If they behave they can stay, if not I will ban them just like I did to the one yesterday who tried to sign up with another name.

They will sound very nice
They will sound very kind

please do not be deceived.

Please do not exchange email addresses.

If you see them posting other web sites or email address please click on "report this post" and me or the webmaster will take care of it.

Please do not be deceived...
Do not give any personal information out to anyone.

This is a trial basis to see if you can handle it.

If I see it getting out of hand I will close this thread and ban all abusers.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Brother Storm,

According to your posts and references to the Goddess I would assume that even though you were intriqued by my response to Bob about Christianity and the bible as reference you have chosen a totally different path in your quest for spirituality. Please let me make myself clear to you in my meaning. Do not let my responses lead you to believe that there is any weakness in my faith, what I am seeking is a stronger faith.

When I said I do not take the bible as literally as some other Christians, I do believe that God gave us the bible as a guide to religion. I am in the process of studying the bible and other references such as the dead sea scrolls and the gospels that were left out of King James version of the bible. These are scholarly quests. I still rely totally on my relationship with God to guide me. As I am learning and listening to others interpretations of the bible many of the things that have troubled me about the bible have become clearer. I do not believe that I have the answers, I am seeking and studying. One thing I have learned is that Christians sometimes fall short of what God wants from us. I often find myself unworthy of the many blessings that God pours upon me. Each time I fall he is always there to pick me up and take me a little further.

I do believe that we must be very careful about what spirits we allow into our lives. Although, you may feel that what guides you makes you a better person the quest should be if it makes you a stronger and better person of the one true God. While we should all strive to be better people, this is not what saves us. Being a better person does not make us children of God. God wants us to follow him and do his will. We all need to be very careful that what we are doing is God's will, not man's will, not our own will.

One thing I am certain of is that there is power in prayer. I will pray that you are led down the correct path as I pray that I am. Do not be deceived in your quest for spirituality, seek the truth through prayer. Ask God to show you the way.

Jan


Posted by: StarChilde

dear Sister Jan, Your quest sounds a LOT like mine!I have found that a study Bible with Greek/Hebrew Strong's reference is a VERY VALUABLE resource! You can go to the root meaning of the word.
I have a favorites folder on Christianity it seems a MILE LONG! There are literally hundreds of bookmarks in there. I also have the dead sea scrolls, the apocrypha... among others. I trust God's Holy Spirit to lead me in studying. I also ask for discernment.

JG, I can understand why you have allowed this. For some of those involved, this site can be the seeds planted! How exciting! I would suggest any reading those replies though, to pray for God's protection, for even though some of those people say they come in love, bless us with love and light, what is inside of them HATES what is inside of us and will use all sorts of deception to drag us down!
And no light is brighter than our Saviour & God!


Posted by: Brother_Storm

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Originally Posted by Dreamweaver
Brother Storm,

According to your posts and references to the Goddess I would assume that even though you were intriqued by my response to Bob about Christianity and the bible as reference you have chosen a totally different path in your quest for spirituality. Please let me make myself clear to you in my meaning. Do not let my responses lead you to believe that there is any weakness in my faith, what I am seeking is a stronger faith.

When I said I do not take the bible as literally as some other Christians, I do believe that God gave us the bible as a guide to religion. I am in the process of studying the bible and other references such as the dead sea scrolls and the gospels that were left out of King James version of the bible. These are scholarly quests. I still rely totally on my relationship with God to guide me. As I am learning and listening to others interpretations of the bible many of the things that have troubled me about the bible have become clearer. I do not believe that I have the answers, I am seeking and studying. One thing I have learned is that Christians sometimes fall short of what God wants from us. I often find myself unworthy of the many blessings that God pours upon me. Each time I fall he is always there to pick me up and take me a little further.

I do believe that we must be very careful about what spirits we allow into our lives. Although, you may feel that what guides you makes you a better person the quest should be if it makes you a stronger and better person of the one true God. While we should all strive to be better people, this is not what saves us. Being a better person does not make us children of God. God wants us to follow him and do his will. We all need to be very careful that what we are doing is God's will, not man's will, not our own will.

One thing I am certain of is that there is power in prayer. I will pray that you are led down the correct path as I pray that I am. Do not be deceived in your quest for spirituality, seek the truth through prayer. Ask God to show you the way.

Jan


Greetings Jan---

First and foremost I wish state for the record that the strength or weakness of your belief is not at question here, at least not by me. I've no doubts about the strength of your belief as it has been shown on countless occassions in several posts throughout the various forums our gracious host provides.

Secondly, much like yourself, I am seeking and studying because I know that I do not have all the answers to whatever question(s) may be placed upon my Path. However, though I may have misunderstood what was inferred by yourself and others within the various threads, I would say that the Bible is more as a written interpretation of YHWH's words to his chosen people. But, because the written word (or Word) was interpretted by men, the definitions of some words and phrases found in the Bible may be flawed or incorrect. As I haven't the tools to properly translate the original texts that were written long before I was even a mote in the eyes of my ancestors, I cannot properly and honestly state that what translations I hear and read are true or not nor can I accurately interpret what was originally transcribed.

Thirdly, being the individual that I am, I strive to understand the ways of others in a manner that is more easier for me, with both an open mind and open heart. I strive to be neither bigotted nor biased in what I see, hear, or read. I do not and will never force my beliefs upon another, as this is not my way of doing things and should never be misconstrued as being otherwise. When I respond to an individual, be it in a forum such as this, a message board, email, or in a face-to-face encounter I attempt to speak how I feel and think directly without hidden meanings or with something "between the lines". Unfortunately, there are many that will "see" or "read" something into my statements that just don't plain exist. It is never nor will it ever be my intent, either directly or indirectly, to deceive another human being whose faith and following differs from my own. Just as individuals like yourself would pray to the God of your belief for another whose beliefs differ from your own (such as myself), in both love,trust,goodness, and the best of intents, so too, do I. The only difference, if there can truly be one, would be that I would light a candle and ask my Beloved Mother that they would be able to see and understand my true intents without turning them away from the God which they deeply love so much. I will never attempt to coerce anyone into doing anything that would bring them shame in their heart, mind, body, or spirit as this is not my way of doing things nor does such an action follow the tenents I choose to follow.

Hopefully you will forgive my quoting your last passage, as I do wish to clarify something:

"One thing I am certain of is that there is power in prayer. I will pray that you are led down the correct path as I pray that I am. Do not be deceived in your quest for spirituality, seek the truth through prayer. Ask God to show you the way."

I will be the first to agree that there is, indeed, power in prayer regardless of whether the prayers are to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ or to my Beloved Mother. I say this with deepest respect for you as an individual and to the Beloved Son you choose to follow. Prayers for hope, peace, prosperity, love, and spiritual understanding and guidance are good things regardless of whom the prayers are to and to whom they are directed. Should the Path I choose to follow be either right or wrong, the decision of which will be decided at the end of all there is, by whichever God or Goddess presides over the final decisions of Mankind. Should my choice should be the wrong one, then I will be willing to accept whatever punishment is required or given. However, should my choice be correct, then I would ask of my Beloved Mother that you be allowed entrance into Paradise, Heaven, or Summerland (whichever is appropriate) on my behalf.
Though this might not be the way or design of some people, it is mine. I would gladly give up my place in Paradise, Heaven, or Summerland so that your own spirit may be at ease and amongst those of your biological and spiritual families.

My quest is not merely one of spiritual enlightenment, but one of knowledge and understanding, as well. There is not deception in what I seek; in the manner which I choose to seek, the Path I choose to follow to attain those answers, and the answers which I feel adequately address the questions are left in the hands, hearts, and minds of those whom I choose to ask the questions of. Should there be a Divine Intervention, where everything I seek is revealed and all my questions are fully and completely answered by the God, Goddess, or Gods and not from their children, then my quest will at last come to an end, my spirit will finally be allowed to rest, and I will at alst be able to experience true peace and tranquility.

Although there are many that would see and deign to point out the errors in the way I choose to go about things, when each day is done and the lights are extinguished for the evening, then is when I will weigh out the things I have seen, read, and experienced and will decide whether or not they address and answer the questions I seek to have resolved.

Oh, and by the way, I do admire the name that you chose for yourself for the forums; Dreamweaver. I am a web designer and there is a particular piece of software manufactured by Macromedia that bears the same name.

In closing, I would like to direct something to Reverand(spelling) Jerry, the gentleman that graciously hosts this site and allows persons like myself to converse with members of his congregation on this board. At one point, you had used the term "witches and warlocks" as a manner, I assume, in which to address the female and male members of the non-Christian religious community that frequents this forum. I wish no disrespect towards a gentleman of your stature nor to the many members of your flock, but the term "warlock" would not apply to 99% of the non-Christians who come to your boards. A vast majority practice peace, love, light, and understanding and to practice something that would harm another human being would be unthinkable.

Although each religion has its share of kooks and heretics (as I am sure you are well aware of their existence), I can assure you that most of the "non-believers" that come to forums like these, don't wish you or members of your congregation ill or darkness to fall upon your chosen Path. True, there are a few that should think more clearly before they engage their mouth and vocal muscles, they are, however, not representatives of the majority. Troublemakers like that are not representatives of how I choose to view and address things. You may adress me as a non-believer, a Pagan, a Witch (female or male, a witch is a witch), or by the name I have chosen to be called by on this forum if you so wish, but please do not use a blanket term to reference someone such as myself. I truly dislike people that feel that in order to gain personal fulfillment it is a necessity to practice harm, illness, or darkness against another human being. To harm another human being in this manner disgusts me and is not a part of who I am.

I do apologize if what I have written here worries some, insults others or is misconstrued....this is not my intent and never should be taken as such. If there is something defamatory that I feel should be addressed, then I will address it to the person in authority (yourself or your second) or to the authorities within the state or country from which the statement(s) originate. This being said, I will now close this post and will await responses (if any) and will address said responses in kind.

PAX,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: david arroyo

PEOPLE, this thread suddenly got very bizzare. The gospel is not complicated. Jesus Christ suffered and died for our sins. If we receive Him as the Lord and Savior of our lives than we will be saved. If we reject Him we will die in our sins and be eternally condemned. Jesus is the WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM.

The Bible is God's revelation of Himself. It is complete, whole, and does not need your "scholarly" additions and subtractions from the text. The book of Revelation says that whoever adds to or subtracts from the words of the Book will be accursed. And the Apostle Paul said, "cursed is the man who preaches another gospel."

I am telling you the truth, nothing puts a fire in my spirit like false teachings and doctrines, because you not only mislead yourselves but others also. Why is it so hard to receive Jesus as Lord? Why must we turn from the Truth of God's Word?

In the book of Revelation, the Apostle John saw Jesus in His glory. His eyes burned with intensity and passion. He had walked amongst the churches in Asia and He witnessed things that made Him burn with righteous anger. Some in the church were being enticed by the false teachings of Balaam, others by the seduction of Jezebel. Christ, however, commended the church in Ephesus for shunning the false teachings of the Nicolations. Much is said by Jesus Himself concerning deceptions and false teachings, He continually urged His disciples to be on guard.

I want you to know that Jesus loves you. He is the only Way, the only truth, and the only life. God is not schizophrenic, He has revealed Himself to mankind through Christ, and Christ alone. REPENT, and turn to Him. Read through the gospels and you will see God.


Posted by: BornAgainPagan

[QUOTE=david arroyo]PEOPLE, this thread suddenly got very bizzare. The gospel is not complicated. Jesus Christ suffered and died for our sins. If we receive Him as the Lord and Savior of our lives than we will be saved. If we reject Him we will die in our sins and be eternally condemned. Jesus is the WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM.

With the greatest of respect I must say this is your truth and the truth of people who are Christian. For those of us on different spiritual paths this is not our truth. Just as no one can sway your beliefs (nor would we wish to) and what your belief and acceptance that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the light, we who are of different beliefs feel as strongly about our spiritual paths.

The thing that is disturbing to me is that as Christians my understanding is that you all try to reflect the light of Jesus. What disturbs me about this is that I have felt and read a lot of judgment, closemindedness and inability to extend the courtesy of listening to others in this forum. From what many people have revealed to me, this is the very thing that causes people to close their ears to what Christians are trying to witness to them about.

When Jesus was walking on the earth, he spent his time with the societal "rejects". He didn't point fingers, he didn't stand in judgement, everything he did was shown in love according to what I learned in my 42 years as a Christian.

Any of you who are parents or study people in general know that it is a truth that if you try to force people to do something they shut down and go the other way.

I guess what I am trying to say is that to be an effective witness, in my humble opinion, is to draw people by the light that shines forth from you, not from speaking words that cause people to turn away and close their ears.

My spiritual beliefs are that there are many paths to the one god and that god goes by many different names around the world. I also believe that God, Jesus, Mohammad, The All-Knowing, Goddess, The Great Mother, or whatever or whomever people worship and believe in, is where they are meant to be spiritually at that particular time in their particular lives.

Spirituality of any kind is a good thing. I have researched much and Christianity evolved from Paganism. If you look at the various world religions you will see there are many common threads in each religion.

COmmunication is the key to understanding and growth. It is also a key element of acting in love.

Brightest blessings to you all in her name,

BornAgainPagan


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:
Originally Posted by BornAgainPagan
[QUOTE=david arroyo]PEOPLE, this thread suddenly got very bizzare. The gospel is not complicated. Jesus Christ suffered and died for our sins. If we receive Him as the Lord and Savior of our lives than we will be saved. If we reject Him we will die in our sins and be eternally condemned. Jesus is the WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE AND NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM.

With the greatest of respect I must say this is your truth and the truth of people who are Christian. For those of us on different spiritual paths this is not our truth. Just as no one can sway your beliefs (nor would we wish to) and what your belief and acceptance that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the light, we who are of different beliefs feel as strongly about our spiritual paths.

The thing that is disturbing to me is that as Christians my understanding is that you all try to reflect the light of Jesus. What disturbs me about this is that I have felt and read a lot of judgment, closemindedness and inability to extend the courtesy of listening to others in this forum. From what many people have revealed to me, this is the very thing that causes people to close their ears to what Christians are trying to witness to them about.

When Jesus was walking on the earth, he spent his time with the societal "rejects". He didn't point fingers, he didn't stand in judgement, everything he did was shown in love according to what I learned in my 42 years as a Christian.

Any of you who are parents or study people in general know that it is a truth that if you try to force people to do something they shut down and go the other way.

I guess what I am trying to say is that to be an effective witness, in my humble opinion, is to draw people by the light that shines forth from you, not from speaking words that cause people to turn away and close their ears.

My spiritual beliefs are that there are many paths to the one god and that god goes by many different names around the world. I also believe that God, Jesus, Mohammad, The All-Knowing, Goddess, The Great Mother, or whatever or whomever people worship and believe in, is where they are meant to be spiritually at that particular time in their particular lives.

Spirituality of any kind is a good thing. I have researched much and Christianity evolved from Paganism. If you look at the various world religions you will see there are many common threads in each religion.

COmmunication is the key to understanding and growth. It is also a key element of acting in love.

Brightest blessings to you all in her name,

BornAgainPagan

my friend you say your born again if you are then you know Jesus to be the truth because he came into your heart by asking him to come in and he will show you the truth not by what you think or I think, say this prayer Jesus come into my heart and save me be Lord and Saviour of my life and forgive me of my sins, wash me with your blood and make me yours forever now and let me now recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit and may he come dwell in me forever and lead and guide me into all truth, there welcome into the kingdom of almighty God you are now BORN AGAIN and my brother or sister in christ now listen to what Jesus has to say and keep following him only know matter what keep your eyes fixed and focused on him he will bring you through always may he anoint you with his Glory now and fill you with his fire anointing to overflowiing God Bless love you


Posted by: BornAgainPagan

Quote:
Originally Posted by ANOINTED WARRIOR
my friend you say your born again if you are then you know Jesus to be the truth because he came into your heart by asking him to come in and he will show you the truth not by what you think or I think, say this prayer Jesus come into my heart and save me be Lord and Saviour of my life and forgive me of my sins, wash me with your blood and make me yours forever now and let me now recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit and may he come dwell in me forever and lead and guide me into all truth, there welcome into the kingdom of almighty God you are now BORN AGAIN and my brother or sister in christ now listen to what Jesus has to say and keep following him only know matter what keep your eyes fixed and focused on him he will bring you through always may he anoint you with his Glory now and fill you with his fire anointing to overflowiing God Bless love you


Yes, I am born-again, but a born-again pagan. I appreciate your concern and your prayers (can never have enough good thoughts sent ones way). But ask yourself how you would respond if I were to reply in kind to you but inserting my beliefs and prayers for you. I'm pretty sure that would get me banned fromt his forum.

Just as you cannot accept my path as your truth because it is not your truth, your truth is not my own.

I have a very prominent Christian friend, Dr. Robert Gange, who wrote the book Origins and Destinies. He is a nuclear physicist who started out to disprove the existence of any supreme being. In his journey he discovered that Jesus Christ exists. He and I have been friends for decades. He knows that I am now a Pagan and he doesn't try to convert me, he discusses things with me and we go from there. Any relationship needs to be give and take, a marriage, a friendship, etc.. To try to constantly and consistently force your point of view on someone (this includes me and anyone else) is not conducive to a healthy and fruitful relationship.

Nuff said.

Brightest blessings in the name of my mother the earth and my father the sky

BornAgainPagan


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

well am here for you if you need prayer God Bless Jesus fill them more with your shekinah glory and Love to overflowing


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Quote:
Originally Posted by david arroyo

The Bible is God's revelation of Himself. It is complete, whole, and does not need your "scholarly" additions and subtractions from the text. The book of Revelation says that whoever adds to or subtracts from the words of the Book will be accursed. And the Apostle Paul said, "cursed is the man who preaches another gospel."

I am telling you the truth, nothing puts a fire in my spirit like false teachings and doctrines, because you not only mislead yourselves but others also. Why is it so hard to receive Jesus as Lord? Why must we turn from the Truth of God's Word?

In the book of Revelation, the Apostle John saw Jesus in His glory. His eyes burned with intensity and passion. He had walked amongst the churches in Asia and He witnessed things that made Him burn with righteous anger. Some in the church were being enticed by the false teachings of Balaam, others by the seduction of Jezebel. Christ, however, commended the church in Ephesus for shunning the false teachings of the Nicolations. Much is said by Jesus Himself concerning deceptions and false teachings, He continually urged His disciples to be on guard.


David,

The reason I am on a "scholarly" quest is because I want to know more. I want to read more. The bible has gone through many revisions including a political agenda by Constantine, then we have the KJ version and many other versions not to mention the many translations. I love the bible. I love my God more than anything. I don't wish to subtract or add to anything other than my own knowledge. If there were books left out of the newer versions of the bible I want to read them. I will always seek guidance from our Lord when I study. I love history and perhaps that is why I want to study anything I can get my hands on but I always seek historical facts. Reading the book of Mary Magdalene or the dead sea scrolls has in no way changed my relationship with God but makes it stronger. I guess I am really responding to you because I so respect you and your words are always inspirational. I hope you understand why I always am seeking more knowledge. Do you really believe this is wrong? Please let me know your thoughts on this.

Brother Storm and BornagainPagan,

I guess what I am wondering about the two of you is exactly why you are here? Is this curiosity? Is something leading you here the same way we were all led here? I mean this is in all sincerity, just curious about what exactly you are seeking.

Bob,
Are you still out there???? I think you've lost your audience! LOL


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

There here so that they can be filled with the power of God whats wrong with that, so Jesus fill them to overflowing with your anointing and Love and surround them with your wall of fire and shekinah glory descend upon them with your glory cloud hold them close to your heart Jesus and take care of them


Posted by: BornAgainPagan

[QUOTE=Dreamweaver]



Brother Storm and BornagainPagan,

I guess what I am wondering about the two of you is exactly why you are here? Is this curiosity? Is something leading you here the same way we were all led here? I mean this is in all sincerity, just curious about what exactly you are seeking.

Dreamweaver,

Initially we came to this site by request of a group we belong to for religious freedom. This group is a "watchdog" group of sorts. Which means we watch out for the freedoms of all religions including Christianity. Our right to worship freely is a precious one and guaranteed under our constitution. The specific incident which brought us here was Talena's prayer request to shut down a bookstore in New York.

Brother Storm and I are handfasted.

As for what I am seeking. I have found my spiritual home and am seeking nothing specific here. I am offering my hand in friendship and a bridge to us each understanding one another better. I do believe we each do cross one anothers path for a reason.

Dreamweaver I appreciate your kind and loving spirit.

Continued blessings to you.

BornAgainPagan


Posted by: BornAgainPagan

Quote:
Originally Posted by ANOINTED WARRIOR
There here so that they can be filled with the power of God whats wrong with that, so Jesus fill them to overflowing with your anointing and Love and surround them with your wall of fire and shekinah glory descend upon them with your glory cloud hold them close to your heart Jesus and take care of them


Just as I would never presume to place words in your mouth or assume what is in your heart and mind, please do not presume that you have knowledge of why I am here.

Brightest blessings e'er be thine.

BornAgainPagan


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

amen thank you for staying dont leave God Bless love yu


Posted by: faith rising

Quote:
Originally Posted by BornAgainPagan
Just as I would never presume to place words in your mouth or assume what is in your heart and mind, please do not presume that you have knowledge of why I am here.

Brightest blessings e'er be thine.

BornAgainPagan


As I stated in response to your farwell post, I have no intention of judging you or anyone else in this forum for the paths you have chosen to take, because I have no right to, and I have once followed the same path you are on now. But I am curious as to what made you leave Christianity. I am just curious. I am not looking to get into an argument or debate. I still have an old pagan friend, and we talk about this on a regular basis. By the way I was happy to see that you came back!


Posted by: david arroyo

Dreamweaver, there is nothing wrong with study, in fact, God has given us minds to use and learn. The problem I have is with compromising the Word of God. My heart breaks for these ones in this forum who are lost. It is very easy to get confused and to allow mixture into our lives when we begin to back down from God's Word. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that Jesus alone can save us from our sinful nature and give us a new heart. Without a living relationship with the Living Christ we are lost.

The Bible says that in these last days many will deceive and be deceived. The love of many will grow cold because of the increase in wickedness. To love another "god" is idolatry and spiritual adultery against our Maker. We serve a "jealous" God who is Love but He is also the Righteous Judge.

Many people think this is judgemental and close minded but it is just the opposite. If we watch someone walking towards a cliff it is our responsibility to try stopping them. It is not love to water down God's Word. On judgement day many will say "Lord, Lord," to Jesus but He will say "I never knew you, depart from me you worker of iniquity." Many want the security of religion but are unwilling to embrace the righteous commands of the only True God.

Jesus alone died for us, not Buddha, not Muhammed, not demon spirits. Jesus alone has made atonement for our sins. Jesus alone is worthy of worship. Jesus alone is God. Jesus alone can make us whole. Jesus alone can fulfill us and give us true purpose. Jesus alone is Lord and He will give His glory to no other. I pray that someone will have a true encounter with the Living God this day.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

David,
Thank you once again, you are always an inspiration and I whole heartedly agree with everything you said!

Jan


Posted by: bob_the_fat

This is so funny I must step in:

Bob's theory of man is there was a soup in the ocean,
it formed a primordial ooze
it then formed a tadpole
it then formed something that grew legs and went on shore
it then became some kind of ape
it then went to the zoo
it then became you.

God's word said I was made in the image of God.
Gen 1:28 "Let us make man in our image"

Now here is the dilemma:
Did you come from ooze
or
Did you come from a God.


It has always been your choice.

This is so funny it makes me laugh
Satan wants you to think of yourself as a toad
God wants you to think of yourself as His child.

Are you a toad or
Are you a child of God?

It is your choice!


You said: "They cannot fight the urge within themselves for having a life of sex and control of a particular area for themselves"

Bob I can tell you have never been married. You are condemning every husband and wife who has a disabled or sick spouse as adulters. You are saying that we are controlled by hormones not love and integrity. Oh my friend maybe that is how you are but there are millions who live by a higher standard of love. I feel so sorry for you because you are saying that no matter who you are married to you will have to follow your hormones and have sex like an animal with whomever you please. I hope you tell you girl friend that before you marry her. And then when you get married and have children I can see you explaining to them that you could not help yourself.


No. I didn't say that the happily married couples msut go with their hormones did I? I said that those that restrain themselves from fighting their sexual urges [completely] are those that molest children or do other wrongs. I added completely because apparently youdidn't understand. You laugh at my beliefs JErry thanks. I mean it really makes me think that much more of you and the rest of the believers on this website. As you are the host of this website and you control this website alone. Maybe not alone but you are the host correct? Anyway, what you have done is typical of what happens to me in real life. They take something and reword it as though i said it a million times and the way they put it, is, well, really friggin ridiculous. It is more complex then. I'm a piece of ooze. Holy cow, I'm a frog. WHOA IM AN APE. It is more complex than what you are comparing it too Jerry. Please stop that. It annoys the **** out of me. And for those of you who cannot identify sarcasm, even though tricky with just writing, the part about being a great guy is sarcasm. And if you all look to him as being a fatherly figure on this website, which i have seen some of you say "can I adopot you as my dad?" then he represents you and i pity your life as an individual who just goes "hey they said it, must be true". I haven't finished looking at the rest of the posts i've been gone lately but expect more. BTW Jerry i'm only 16 and i'm male so only if i come from a deranged mormon family and i'm a female, i'm not going to be married quite yet. Dont get upset over the mormon reference alright?


Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, good to see you back. Hope you had a good holiday.
I don't think Jerry meant to mock you, he was mocking the idea of evolution. I am sorry but it is absurd. I had no idea you were only 16. This is an important time for you in your life. Much of what you do now will impact the rest of your life and your eternity. Most people receive Christ in their teens, after that people often get set in there ways and thinking.

Bob there is no use in debating issues with you, you must have an encounter with the true God. I pray that you will. I did when I was nineteen. I had just gotten home one night when the presence of Christ filled my room and I laughed and wept into the next afternoon.

My brother, who was a skin head and drug abuser, was prayed for and he fell to the ground for three hours, unable to move. When he got up he was changed forever, he is now zealous for God.

This is what you need, this is what you hunger for. You need Jesus Bob. I pray that you will call upon Him and He will save you.


Posted by: StarChilde

Father God, in the name of Jesus Christ, we bind and break all witchcraft, curses, spells, and powers - and through the Blood of the Lamb - destroy the works of every witch, warlock, wizard, sorcerer,pagan and all other powers of darkness.
Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we break all their powers - including the influences of witchcraft, evil powers, spells, hexes, vexes, voodoo, hoodoo, roots, potions or any such things - off every person who will read this prayer. For them also we invoke Psalm 80:18, "so we will not go back from thee: quicken us and we will call upon thy name" so that those who read this will understand, remember and apply consistently what they read.
Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we also bind up and destroy all their spirit-guides, helps, and shields of these workers of evil, and leave them without any strength - stripped of their evil power and influence.
In the name of Jesus Christ, and by the Blood of the Lamb, we now seal up their powers within themselves, so that they cannot use them on anyone, and that their works might be destroyed, in the hope that their souls might be saved for the glory of God. AMEN.

SPIRITUAL WARFARE PRAYER AGAINST WITCHCRAFT

IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH, I COME AGAINST THE PRINCE-RULING SPIRIT AND ALL SPIRIT GUIDES. I COME THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, IN THE NAME OF JESUS. I PARALYZE YOU AND SILENCE YOU, FORBIDDING YOU FROM INFLUENCING OR STRENGTHENING THEM (THE WITCH OR WITCHES) IN THE NAME OF JESUS, RIGHT NOW!

WE ARE DESTROYING YOUR VERY WORKS: THE SPIRITS OF HATE, BITTERNESS AND MURDER, SPIRITS OF ENVY AND JEALOUSY, SPIRITS OF WIZARDRY, SORCERY AND ALL YOUR CO-SPIRITS, YOUR WORKS, YOUR POWERS, YOUR INFLUENCES ARE DESTROYED IN THE NAME OF JESUS!

I PARALYZE YOU, ALL, RIGHT NOW. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THIS SOUL ANY LONGER AGAINST THE CHURCH (OR, A PARTICULAR PERSON), IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

I COME AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF BLINDNESS, BINDING THE SPIRITS OF BONDAGE AND HEAVINESS, FEAR AND HATE.

I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WILL OPEN THEIR EYES SO THEY CAN SEE THE GLORY OF JESUS. OPEN THEIR HEARTS SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE. BREAK THE YOKES IN THEIR LIVES AND GIVE THEM LIBERTY IN THEIR SOULS, THAT THEY MAY BE FREE TO REPENT. SHOW THEM EVERY EVIL WORK AND EVERY EVIL DEED THEY'RE GUILTY OF, AND LORD JESUS, CONVICT THEIR HEARTS UNTO REPENTANCE. BRING THESE SOULS OUT OF DARKNESS; SAVE THESE SOULS SO THAT YOU MAY HAVE THE GLORY.

SATAN, I SILENCE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS, BINDING ALL YOUR INTERFERENCE. YOU WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THESE SOULS AND THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN FREE WILL CHOICE SO AS TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS IF THEY WANT TO REPENT. THEY WILL DO IT WITHOUT YOUR INTERFERENCE. ALSO, LORD JESUS, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL RELEASE WARRING ANGELS TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THESE DEMONIC ACTIVITIES, AND WILL SEND MINISTERING SPIRITS TO MINISTER TO THEIR SOULS."


Posted by: bob_the_fat

Yes David, he meant to mock me and my beliefs. How do I know? I just do. I've seen that sort of **** before and I knew they were mocking me. And no evolution theory is not absurd. It is a magnificent process of events that happened and eventually brought it to what we have today. The theory is the best explanation of what we have today. And now I guess i can use god in capitalized form becasue it is apprently used in every explanation of anything. Thus, I will call it the God theory. Let's look at some quotes from the bible that seem kind of odd.
Btw, even though you may not like it, www.skepticsannotatedbible.com is a website mocking the bible. You will not like it and you will think it is a bunch of bologna and think the same idea about evolution. but you still need to think about it. Also, i'm using god as a proper noun in this case because it is the name my theory that you all use so abundantly.

There are so many things in the genesis that it asks it cannot posisbly all be psted here. Before you talk to me again anyone, check out that website and think a little bit instead of listening to what what your authorities say.

If genesis is correct... How are plants made on the third day when light producing objects were made on the fourth, this makes photosynthesis a very complicatd process if there isn't any light. Yes, he distinguished between night and day on the first aday but did not make any light producing objects then.

In verse 11, God "let the earth bring forth" the plants. Now he has the earth "bring forth" the animals as well. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe God created livings things through the process of evolution. 1:24


Posted by: StarChilde

The plants had all the light they needed with the Glory of God shining on them.
And you are a very disrespectful young man.I was brought up to respect my elders.


Posted by: Frederik

Jera had many posts in this thread, where did they go? And why don't I
see any of his prayers anywhere?


Posted by: Frederik

* bob

I haven't read the whole discussion and I don't know what has been said yet, but I know all the questions which you have about the neanderthals and stuff. The problem is that you cannot make an atheist become a christian by simply answering all his questions cause there will always be questions which cannot be answered. The question is are you really searching the truth and wouldn't you be too proud to admit that you're a sinner ? Many atheists don't even admit that they sin, they justify everything, if you're somebody who doesn't even have a feeling for what's right and wrong then you won't make it. You have to be willing to find the truth and then you'll also find it but when you're stubborn you won't find it. Why don't you talk to God ? You can talk to him and tell him that you're interested in the truth but that there are many things which confuse you and that you need his help, this is the first step. But many atheists don't even give Jesus this chance.God knows that the people's heads are full of poison and atheistic stuff, finding to God in these days is not easy and it will become even harder cause God doesn't take away the truth but he beclouds it. There will be times when it'll be nearly impossible for non-christians to see the truth any longer cause the Antichrist and his new worldreligion will shine so bright that everybody will think that it's the best thing which could ever happen to mankind. It's really down wether you are searching for the truth or wether you don't even care and harden your heart and focus on earthly pleasures. I am convinced that God rewards everybody who searches for the truth.
Ask yourself do you have this attitude: "Okay I don't believe in God but if there really is a God then I wanna find it out." or do you have this attitude: "There is no god, god is made up. I don't have time for such silly stuff, god is something for old people which are scared of dying..."

You have to think about one thing, when God exists then Satan also exists. Put yourself in Satan's shoes, what would you do to keep the people away from finding the truth ? You would do a lot, so does Satan.


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_the_fat
As a chemist i'd think you'd believe in Evolution because there has been an 8 hour special on PBS proving evolution.


Oh this is great, there are obviously people which are so intelligent that they can prove something which is wrong. Do you believe everything you see on TV ? For example there are intelligent people which really claim that the attack on the WTC was not done by terrorists but by the USA to provoke a war and to strenghten the army. Everybody can claim anything today. But dumb people simply swallow it and then forget about it. "Evolution" does exist, today people are taller for example than 500 years ago, but that doesn't prove anything. There is a difference between micro and macro-evolution.

-Oh Jesus cannot exist.
- Why ?
- I saw it on PBS.
-Okay, I'm glad finally I know that Jesus doesn't exist, thanks for letting me know.
-No problem.


Posted by: rondabruce

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederik
* bob

I haven't read the whole discussion and I don't know what has been said yet, but I know all the questions which you have about the neanderthals and stuff. The problem is that you cannot make an atheist become a christian by simply answering all his questions cause there will always be questions which cannot be answered. The question is are you really searching the truth and wouldn't you be too proud to admit that you're a sinner ? Many atheists don't even admit that they sin, they justify everything, if you're somebody who doesn't even have a feeling for what's right and wrong then you won't make it. You have to be willing to find the truth and then you'll also find it but when you're stubborn you won't find it. Why don't you talk to God ? You can talk to him and tell him that you're interested in the truth but that there are many things which confuse you and that you need his help, this is the first step. But many atheists don't even give Jesus this chance.God knows that the people's heads are full of poison and atheistic stuff, finding to God in these days is not easy and it will become even harder cause God doesn't take away the truth but he beclouds it. There will be times when it'll be nearly impossible for non-christians to see the truth any longer cause the Antichrist and his new worldreligion will shine so bright that everybody will think that it's the best thing which could ever happen to mankind. It's really down wether you are searching for the truth or wether you don't even care and harden your heart and focus on earthly pleasures. I am convinced that God rewards everybody who searches for the truth.
Ask yourself do you have this attitude: "Okay I don't believe in God but if there really is a God then I wanna find it out." or do you have this attitude: "There is no god, god is made up. I don't have time for such silly stuff, god is something for old people which are scared of dying..."

You have to think about one thing, when God exists then Satan also exists. Put yourself in Satan's shoes, what would you do to keep the people away from finding the truth ? You would do a lot, so does Satan.


Frederik is back with a vengence! And in rare form as usual.
Frederik, is it okay if I compliment you without you're needing to dispute it? Cuz, I'm going to anyway.
Wonderfully stated (above), and your smarts and acerbic tongue are the exclamation points which drive it home.
Good to see you again....your friend, Ronda


Posted by: Frederik

Yes Ronda, the master is back but only because this thread attracted me, I wanted to send you a PM but it I cannot write any PMs, this is strange. Somehow I feel like this isn't a coincidence.


Posted by: david arroyo

Bob, I looked at the web site you left. I shudder for these people who mock God so openly. They actually claimed that He is a sexual pervert.

If you truly want to learn, Bob, go to www.carm*****. It is a Christian Apologetics site that counters every one of the "critics" claims. Look at the "Bible difficulties" section.

I looked at yours, now you do the same if you are interested in Truth. If not than you only want to reject God.

The site you gave me is filled with error and missapplications of the Bible. It is written by people who do not understand Theology or God. For example, the "morning stars" that sang in the book of Job were angels not actual stars.

Secondly, I can't tell you how many scientists and historians I have heard of who set out to disprove the Bible only to become believers after much study. The First account of creation in Genesis chapter 1 is scientifically accurate. The second acount in chapter two deals with the creation of Adam and Eve, not creation as a whole. Genesis chapter 2:8 makes it clear that God had already created plants in the garden before creating Adam.

In addition, Genesis 1 and 2 were written by the same person. Even if you don't belive that it is Gods word do you really think that the author would have contradicted himself so quickly? No, he was adding to his account in chapter one.

Anyway, I literally could discount and explain each of their foolish arguments but you can look at the above site if YOU ARE OPEN MINDED.

And finally, Bob, we could debate for years but the bottom line is that Christ must ultimately be received by faith. I do, however, repect someone who is sincerely after the Truth and therefore does much study and searching. Some people come to faith after years of studying the Bible. So if you are serious than study on.

If you want to, read the books, "A case for faith" and "A case for Christ". I forget the authors name but he was a skeptical journalist who went on a couple year "search" for the truth of Christ and the Bible. He became a strong believer and leader in the church.


Posted by: bob_the_fat

Well i lost everything i typed out to someone because i hit the back button on accident and it lost it. So here was the start of that post and the basics of what i said "WOW since when has genesis been proven? It only seems to be true to people who believe in the bible more than god. blah blah blah.... And if sin is the counteraction of god.. then is sin more powerful than god. It was more indepth but i only have a half hour on to type out some stuff to everything.

Federick, I have tried to talk to your god before and you know what i heard inbetween my thoughts and prayers and the waiting of a response? My air conditioner running! That's a GREAT response. And you said something about do you believe everything on tv. And I say do you believe everything written in a book that was written over 2000 years ago by Greek Helenistic Jews? I would preferably agree with TV then that sort of thing.

People think the idea of what the Greek's believed in was rediculous because that sacrificed sheep and people and ya da da da. Right?
Then, how bout this. A few thousand years in the future, when the Christian empire has bottomed out, a person walks into a psychiatrist. He tells the psychiatrist that he talks to a person who no one can see. He prays to them and spends his days outside of work devoted to him. He follows a book written several thousand years ago. What would you diagnose this person as? Personally, I'd go with some sort of insanity. When people look back on our era and our ruins what will they see. What do you want them to think when they see the churches and other religious icons throughout America? I think they would probably see us as psychos like we see the Greek's to a mild extent about their religion.

I have got to go see somethin else for school real fast so that's all for tonight.


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_the_fat

Federick, I have tried to talk to your god before and you know what i heard inbetween my thoughts and prayers and the waiting of a response? My air conditioner running! That's a GREAT response.


What do you expect ? Lightnings in the air or thunder ? Maybe a little earthquake ? If you really wanna find to God you should seek help and find a charismatic community and talk to the people there about your problems. If you're really interested in God you would do it.


Posted by: Brother_Storm

"Father God, in the name of Jesus Christ, we bind and break all witchcraft, curses, spells, and powers - and through the Blood of the Lamb - destroy the works of every witch, warlock, wizard, sorcerer,pagan and all other powers of darkness."

Strange that you group everyone together, StarChylde, and think that they are all evil and practice darkness when, in reality, only a very small percentage do (none of them Pagan nor Wiccan). And, unless I've been out of touch for the last 20 years or so, there are few Witches or Pagans that will traipse willingly to the side of darkness. Besides, its awfully hard to do when you've walked in the Light for as long as I have.

"Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we break all their powers - including the influences of witchcraft, evil powers, spells, hexes, vexes, voodoo, hoodoo, roots, potions or any such things "

Odd that you should call this a prayer, when its very essense is that of a binding spell to protect oneself from evil, which, as I stated before, many of us are not. Evil Powers, Hexes, Vexes, Voodoo and Hoodoo are not practiced by any that I associate with. Love, Light, Freedom, Joy, and Understanding is more the norm than any of those things listed in the sentence prior to this one. There also has to be the belief in them and the willingness to allow them to happen before they can come to pass. I don't believe in such things so they've no influence in my everyday life or within my life's work.

"Through the Blood of Jesus Christ we also bind up and destroy all their spirit-guides, helps, and shields of these workers of evil, and leave them without any strength - stripped of their evil power and influence."

I've very sincere doubts that you could actually accomplish this feat, StarChylde, as my "familiar" is not much unlike myself. But, then again, why should anyone wish to harm an innocent animal? Being a Solitary Practioner means that I normally work alone without the aid of a group or "helps". And whatever "shields' I happen to use would be as protection from manevolent forces outside. But because of the fact that I walk upon a Path of Light by choice, nothing ill usually befalls either myself or others that I am with.

"In the name of Jesus Christ, and by the Blood of the Lamb, we now seal up their powers within themselves, so that they cannot use them on anyone, and that their works might be destroyed, in the hope that their souls might be saved for the glory of God."

Ever try to stop a star from going nova? When it is its time, none can prevent its occurance. I will continue to do my works, use them where I will, and harm none in the process. Surely you do remember these words --- "Eight Words the 'Rede Doth Fulfill, An' It Harm None, Do As Thou Will". I will continue on without harming another, as this has ever been my way.

"SPIRITUAL WARFARE PRAYER AGAINST WITCHCRAFT"

Or would this be considered a spiritual incantation?

"IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH, I COME AGAINST THE PRINCE-RULING SPIRIT AND ALL SPIRIT GUIDES."

Since my spirit guides don't lead me towards darkness, this wouldn't apply to them or myself.

"I COME THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, IN THE NAME OF JESUS. I PARALYZE YOU AND SILENCE YOU, FORBIDDING YOU FROM INFLUENCING OR STRENGTHENING THEM (THE WITCH OR WITCHES) IN THE NAME OF JESUS, RIGHT NOW!"

Since I assume you are speaking about the "fallen angel", who has no influence in my life nor the lives of others like myself, then surely this cannot possibly directed at individuals like myself. And seeing that the Devil is not believed in by those who follow the same Path as I, its a non-issue. So, idividuals like myself are neither influenced nor strengthend by something that we neither believe in nor acknowledge.

"I PARALYZE YOU, ALL, RIGHT NOW. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THIS SOUL ANY LONGER AGAINST THE CHURCH (OR, A PARTICULAR PERSON), IN THE NAME OF JESUS."

None, save the "black sheep" of Satan, have the use or need for another's eternal spirit. The spirit that is housed within the mortal shell belongs to the person that they are. None can remove or use something unless it is done so willingly and consciously. Those who seek to be born again do so willingly and those who choose to leave do so willingly, as well. None can force another to choose something that is both against their will and against their principles. And this also goes for whatever Bob might choose for himself.

"I COME AGAINST THE SPIRIT OF BLINDNESS, BINDING THE SPIRITS OF BONDAGE AND HEAVINESS, FEAR AND HATE."

This I agree with, as an individual must be able to see that which they walking into and the Path they, as individuals, traverse and follow. The spirits that govern "Bondage and Heaviness, Fear and Hate" have no place in the hearts, minds, and spirit of those that practice the Light.

"I PRAY, LORD, THAT YOU WILL OPEN THEIR EYES SO THEY CAN SEE THE GLORY OF JESUS. OPEN THEIR HEARTS SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE. BREAK THE YOKES IN THEIR LIVES AND GIVE THEM LIBERTY IN THEIR SOULS, THAT THEY MAY BE FREE TO REPENT. SHOW THEM EVERY EVIL WORK AND EVERY EVIL DEED THEY'RE GUILTY OF, AND LORD JESUS, CONVICT THEIR HEARTS UNTO REPENTANCE. BRING THESE SOULS OUT OF DARKNESS; SAVE THESE SOULS SO THAT YOU MAY HAVE THE GLORY."

My eyes were opened many years ago and, save for sleep, haven't closed since. Just as my eyes are open, so too is my heart. My freedom was granted by way of free choice and I continue to remain free without the influences of those that would do me and mine ill. Just as I walked upon the Path of Light whilst I was a Christian, so too do I walk the Path of Light in the belief I now follow. Neither Darkness nor Shadow will cross my Path as long as Mother Lights my way.

"SATAN, I SILENCE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS, BINDING ALL YOUR INTERFERENCE. YOU WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THESE SOULS AND THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN FREE WILL CHOICE SO AS TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS IF THEY WANT TO REPENT. THEY WILL DO IT WITHOUT YOUR INTERFERENCE."

Since I've not the belief in this "fallen angel", he neither interferes with my spirit nor prevents my freedom to practice free choice and free will. I chose my Path willingly long ago without the influence or interference of an outside force. My choice then, as now, is to continue to walk upon the Path of Light, shunning Darkness and deceit along the way.

"ALSO, LORD JESUS, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL RELEASE WARRING ANGELS TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THESE DEMONIC ACTIVITIES, AND WILL SEND MINISTERING SPIRITS TO MINISTER TO THEIR SOULS."

Since there aren't any "demonic activities" being practiced on my part, I firmly believe that the "warring angels" will pass me by. However, should they misinterpret my intents for anything other than what they actually are, then I will call to Mother and she will take my spirit Home. As far as Bob is concerned, he will choose and follow whatever road that peaks his spirit. Neither you nor I can make that decision for him, as his will and his choices in life are his own. We all make our mistakes along the way and we make decisions that will have long-term effects, for the many years ahead.Whether he chooses to follow your God or the Path of the Evolutionist, the choice remains his and we can only remain and watch. None of us has the right to force anything down the throats of another nor have we the right to state that what they believe is wrong. We may state our individual opinions on what we may or may not think, but those are only our opinions. The final decision must be made by the seeker.

May Bright Blessings, Love and Light Be Fore'er Thine......

Pax,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

hi hugs brother storm can I try to accomplish that feat its up to you I would love to try pick me pick me pick me brother storm I want to try

I've very sincere doubts that you could actually accomplish this feat, StarChylde, as my "familiar" is not much unlike myself. But, then again, why should anyone wish to harm an innocent animal? Being a Solitary Practioner means that I normally work alone without the aid of a group or "helps". And whatever "shields' I happen to use would be as protection from manevolent forces outside. But because of the fact that I walk upon a Path of Light by choice, nothing ill usually befalls either myself or others that I am with.


Posted by: babam

Good evening Brother - Storm,
I apologise if its not evening where you are. Can you remind me please where we left off last time? That is of course if you are still open for a discussion.


Posted by: Brother_Storm

Quote:
Originally Posted by ANOINTED WARRIOR
hi hugs brother storm can I try to accomplish that feat its up to you I would love to try pick me pick me pick me brother storm I want to try

I've very sincere doubts that you could actually accomplish this feat, StarChylde, as my "familiar" is not much unlike myself. But, then again, why should anyone wish to harm an innocent animal? Being a Solitary Practioner means that I normally work alone without the aid of a group or "helps". And whatever "shields' I happen to use would be as protection from manevolent forces outside. But because of the fact that I walk upon a Path of Light by choice, nothing ill usually befalls either myself or others that I am with.


Greetings Anointed ---

As I had placed the ball into StarChylde's court, so to speak, it would have to be her that would have to accomplish the feat in question. However, if you reeeeeeeally feel that this would be your forte, then go right on ahead. Please do keep in mind, however, that as I am not a "Child of Darkness" in any way, shape, or form, I honestly believe that you'll be hard-pressed to to counter my statement fully. But, as I said, "if you reeeeeeally feel that this would be your forte", then by all means, have at! []

May Bright Blessings, Love, and Light be E'er Thine......

Pax,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: Brother_Storm

Quote:
Originally Posted by babam
Good evening Brother - Storm,
I apologise if its not evening where you are. Can you remind me please where we left off last time? That is of course if you are still open for a discussion.


Greetings babam ---

Seeing that there is a 9 hour time difference between the Isles and here, it would be safe to assume that it is, in fact, evening here (Central Standard Time). As to where we left off in conversation, for the life of me, I just cannot seem to remember what we were speaking about. But, in any case, I am always open to discuss whatever subject may arise b'twixt us, so long as both parties remember to be courteous and respectable to each other's viewpoints. However, should the discussion go awry, we should each remind ourselves of how this is supposed to be accomplished without ruffling the feathers of the other overtly much.

May Bright Blessings, Love, and Light be E'er Thine.......

Pax,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother_Storm
Greetings Anointed ---

As I had placed the ball into StarChylde's court, so to speak, it would have to be her that would have to accomplish the feat in question. However, if you reeeeeeeally feel that this would be your forte, then go right on ahead. Please do keep in mind, however, that as I am not a "Child of Darkness" in any way, shape, or form, I honestly believe that you'll be hard-pressed to to counter my statement fully. But, as I said, "if you reeeeeeally feel that this would be your forte", then by all means, have at! []

May Bright Blessings, Love, and Light be E'er Thine......

Pax,

Brother_Storm

Thank you Jesus for this awesome event that is to take place in the spirit realm right now, Right now Jesus walks up to you brother storm and hugs you and wants you to know how much he loves you he has spoken many times to you in the past but you have ignored him he is here to heal you of the past hurts that caused you to turn from him, it is not his will that any should perish, know this day that you are greatly loved by Jesus and that he is not going to give up on you even while you sleep you will here him speaking your name, Jesus right now flow through me as you remove these fowl spirits from brother storms life, what is not of God is not of you Jesus it is written, therefore satan get your hands off of brother storm NOW in the almighty name of Jesus, I claim brother storm for Jesus he is no longer yours you have no authority over him, right NOW I BIND you satan and familiar spirits in brother storms life with the chains of the Holy Spirit and right NOW this very second you are NOW being removed from out of brother storms life with the Holy Spirit NOW and sent to the pit where you belong do not come back you fowl spirits, No weapon formed against brother storm shall prosper, Jesus fill him now with your love and mercy let him be overwhelmed with the love you are now pouring out on him, as you are pouring out your love Jesus heal his condition of lightning let your healing anointing fill him now and make him whole by your stripes he is healed, and in the name of JESUS he is healed for in Jesus name is all healing and everything you need, we worship you Jesus and thank you for what you are doing now this is all in your hands Jesus


Posted by: JeriRose12

Am I allowed to pray in this thread? Let it be known, I am praying for all of your salvations. I will spare you clever words or arguements. I am thinking of a story in the Bible where one of God's prophet's said "Let's see who's God answers with fire." I am going to pray to my God and He WILL answer with fire. Stay tuned......

~JeriRose~
Pushing Jesus in 2004


Posted by: david arroyo

Brother Storm, I want you to know that I love you in Christ. I am not angry or judgemental. Your attitude here is actually much better than many who profess Christ.

I must tell you, however, that my faith in Christ is not just blind faith. I have encounterd the manifest Presence and Person of Jesus Christ on several occassions. I also walk daily with Him through the Holy Spirit.I know Him as Savior, as God, as King, as Brother, and as my Friend. Jesus is alive and real. He is everything we seek and desire. I am telling you the absolute truth, I know this Jesus.

You might say now, "yes, that is fine but thats your path". No it is not just my path. There is only one God who manifested Himself as the man Christ Jesus. The Bible says that Jesus is the fullness of the God-head in bodily form.

Why is it so vital to know and bow to Jesus? Why do I take time to warn and admonish and pray for you? Because Jesus alone saves us from our sins.

Do you believe you are a sinner? Have you ever sinned? Do you believe that the Creator is Holy? If He is not Holy than why do you have a conscience? Why do you seek to do right? Because God is Holy and He cannot dwell with evil, He has put your conscience in you to lead you to Him. His Holiness is not like mens idea of Holiness. It is far beyond our knowledge, it is a living force, and it will be terrifying to all who are not covered in the blood. The book of Hebrews says that it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God if we reject His way of salvation.

You say," I am not evil". I say that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, all have rebelled against Him, and none is justified apart from yielding to the Lordship of Jesus". When we yield to His Lordship we are forgiven and literally "born again" in our spirit. We are progressively transformed into His image, we are His seed.

This is vital because none can truly become Holy apart from Jesus. Nothing can cleanse but the blood of Jesus. Without His blood you will meet the Holy God naked and ashamed. The Bible says that our man-made efforts at righteousness are like filthy rags before Gods piercing Holiness. You cannot meet the righteous requirements of God apart from saving faith in Christ.

The true God has left His witness in creation, in the families, in the marriage covenant and bonds, etc. Jesus is Lord and there is no other.

Once again, I love you in Christ which is why I write. I pray that you will not die in your sins and stand before the Almighty without Christ in you. You and all others will bow before Jesus. The Bible says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.

You will meet Him. You will see Him. You will stand before Him. I pray that your eyes will be opened to His great love and mercy towards you right now. In Jesus name.


Posted by: Frederik

* bob

This could really help you !

http://www.answersingenesis*****/Hom...sBook/index.asp

I have the book and it rocks.


Posted by: Brother_Storm

Greetings David --

As has always been my way of doing within these forums, I will respond to your post with the same respect and dignity afforded me.

"Brother Storm, I want you to know that I love you in Christ. I am not angry or judgemental. Your attitude here is actually much better than many who profess Christ."

I graciously accept the compliment which you have bestowed upon me, David. There have been very few that I have encountered in my years, that have afforded me the compliment which you have. My attitude has always been as you have observed throughout the forums that I've been able to post at and it isn't likely to change anytime soon. I look at each person as an individual that should be respected and listened to. And, much like yourself and everyone else here, I am human and I am prone to human failings. On occassion I will lose my temper with somebody who just doesn't feel that my words or statements are worth the cyber-ink they are written with.

" I must tell you, however, that my faith in Christ is not just blind faith. I have encounterd the manifest Presence and Person of Jesus Christ on several occassions. I also walk daily with Him through the Holy Spirit.I know Him as Savior, as God, as King, as Brother, and as my Friend. Jesus is alive and real. He is everything we seek and desire. I am telling you the absolute truth, I know this Jesus."

Of this, my friend, I've no doubts. You are a man of much honour, intelligence, and integrity. In the words I have read, I sincerely doubt that you would openly and consciously deceive one such as myself, in order to bring me around to your way of worshipping and giving praise.

" You might say now, "yes, that is fine but thats your path". No it is not just my path. There is only one God who manifested Himself as the man Christ Jesus. The Bible says that Jesus is the fullness of the God-head in bodily form."

Were I never educated in any form of Christianity, then that may have been my initial response. There are many within my belief that have never had the pleasure to have experience the love of Christ and his spoken Word. Unless they give themselves that opportunity, they will never be on the same level with one like yourself, who lives his Word daily.

" Why is it so vital to know and bow to Jesus? Why do I take time to warn and admonish and pray for you? Because Jesus alone saves us from our sins."

You do these things, David, as I have done for others many times. As yourself, I fear for the health and spiritual well-being of all those who haven't experienced this. Although my beliefs may well differ from your own, the core of my education remains the same.

" Do you believe you are a sinner? Have you ever sinned? Do you believe that the Creator is Holy? If He is not Holy than why do you have a conscience? Why do you seek to do right? Because God is Holy and He cannot dwell with evil, He has put your conscience in you to lead you to Him. His Holiness is not like mens idea of Holiness. It is far beyond our knowledge, it is a living force, and it will be terrifying to all who are not covered in the blood. The book of Hebrews says that it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God if we reject His way of salvation."

I am going to attempt to answer the multiple questions above, as best as I am able. If I should fall short in these, my responses, you please forgive my humanness and human failings. I've not been able to achieve perfection in all that I do and am likely not to, as I am, after all, only human.
If I base my answer to questions #1 & #2 on purely a Christian point of view, then yes, I am a sinner and have sinned deeply. However, if I should base the answer upon the teachings of other religious beliefs including my own, then no, I am not and have not. In my belief, as long as I harm no one, including myself in my day-to-day dealings, then I have not commited anything wrong. #3 Whatever name we choose to call the Creator.... God, the Unseen One, Allah, the Goddess and Her Consort to name but a few.... they are and ever shall be considered Holy. The Creator's Holiness greatly exceeds anything that mankind can conceivably imagine and we, as the children of the Creator, can only strive to do the best that is required of us in the finite amount of time that we each possess.

" You say," I am not evil". I say that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, all have rebelled against Him, and none is justified apart from yielding to the Lordship of Jesus". When we yield to His Lordship we are forgiven and literally "born again" in our spirit. We are progressively transformed into His image, we are His seed.

This is vital because none can truly become Holy apart from Jesus. Nothing can cleanse but the blood of Jesus. Without His blood you will meet the Holy God naked and ashamed. The Bible says that our man-made efforts at righteousness are like filthy rags before Gods piercing Holiness. You cannot meet the righteous requirements of God apart from saving faith in Christ."

When the end of all there is finally arrives and I do somehow find myself standing before the Heavenly Father of Christ for final judgement, I will bow my head in respect due to one who is much greater than I, then spread wide my hands and say unto him " I am what and who I am by choice. I acknowledge the wrongs I have committed and await your judgement willingly without hate or fear in my heart, mind, and spirit for I am a man of peace. Do with me what you will."

" The true God has left His witness in creation, in the families, in the marriage covenant and bonds, etc. Jesus is Lord and there is no other."

You'll forgive me if I respond to this statement at a later date, David, as I am having a bit of a problem of trying to figure out its meaning. I will have to read it several times before I truly understand it. Rest assured, when I finally understand all that is written in these 3 sentences, then I will respond to it respectively and honestly.

" Once again, I love you in Christ which is why I write. I pray that you will not die in your sins and stand before the Almighty without Christ in you. You and all others will bow before Jesus. The Bible says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. "

As I stated previously, when the day of attonement arrives and I indeed find myself facing Jesus as my judge, I will bow my head in respect due to one who is much greater than I, then will spread wide my hands and say unto him " I am what and who I am by choice. I acknowledge the wrongs I have committed and await your judgement willingly without hate or fear in my heart, mind, and spirit for I am a man of peace. Do with me what you will." I thank you deeply for you loving and caring spirit, David. Many have fallen well short of what you bespoken unto me and many would be better Christians were they to follow the Word and the teachings as you do.

" You will meet Him. You will see Him. You will stand before Him. I pray that your eyes will be opened to His great love and mercy towards you right now. In Jesus name."

My eyes were opened to his great love and mercy many years ago and I have walked in the Light ever since. And, it in the Light will I ever remain. And when I stand before him, if that is what is to be, then my actions and responses will be the same as what was written twice before.

May Bright Blessings, Love, and Light Be Fore'er Thine.....

Pax,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: Brother_Storm

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Originally Posted by david arroyo
If you want to, read the books, "A case for faith" and "A case for Christ". I forget the authors name but he was a skeptical journalist who went on a couple year "search" for the truth of Christ and the Bible. He became a strong believer and leader in the church.


Greetings David --

As neither title struck a cord with me, I took the liberty to look the titles up so that the respected Author's name would be given their recognized due.

"A Case for Faith" was written by Dave Kinnear
"A Case for Christ" was written by Lee Strobel and was, from what I have been able to discover, completed in 6 sections.

May Bright Blessings, Love, and Light Be Fore'er Thine......

Pax,

Brother_Storm


Posted by: JeriRose12

Laid my hands on the screen and prayed over this thread. Laugh if you will, but God is going to answer with FIRE!!! I felt it in my hands. Laugh at that, too. But God is real and the Bible says He is a consuming fire!!! Mark my words, one day You, too, will believe in Jesus and You will understand what I meant by my God WILL answer with fire. Something is going to totally change in you -- a paradime shift, and you will never be the same again!!!

~JeriRose~
Pushing Jesus in 2004


Posted by: WeRFamily

Once He finds you you will never look back. For Jesus is the truth and the light. I pray that He finds you and releases such blessings into your life you will be as Saul and tell anyone who will listen about His amazing grace.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Holy Spirit release all of your fire in this post now and that all who look at it will be hit and smothered immediately in all of your glory and fire anointing, FIRE ON YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS OF NAZERETH


Posted by: Frederik

To believe in evolution you really need a strong faith cause it's a fact that DNA becomes more and more simple when it mutates.
Also information does not develope from nothing and the DNA is nothing but information.


Posted by: BornAgainPagan

[QUOTE=StarChilde]Father God, in the name of Jesus Christ, we bind and break all witchcraft, curses, spells, and powers - and through the Blood of the Lamb - destroy the works of every witch, warlock, wizard, sorcerer,pagan and all other powers of darkness.

I know I said goodbye, but I have been following this forum closely and felt I needed to speak.

With all due respect, I realize this is a Christian site and we are guests here. Once again I must reiterate the need for each of us to open our ears so that we may each hear one another. I also would like to say that each of us needs to be informed before we make assumptions regarding the others belief systems. As my beloved husband stated so eloquently, we always keep our faces to the light and shun the darkness. Our works as Pagans and Wiccans are good works. We are teachers, ministers (yes, there are also Christian Witches believe it or not!), doctors, nurses, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers.

There are many parallels in Christianity and our beliefs. You gather and pray and claim it in Jesus's name. You gather in circles and hold hands and pray and gather that collective energy and pray for healing, miracles, etc.. We pray also, but we call it by another name or by the same. We appeal to our Lord and our Lady, or whatever name is right for the individual and surround our loved ones in protective light, sending healing energy to our friends and neighbors, our country, the same as you.

Your God goes by many, many names.....as do ours....Am I correct in intepreting the above to mean that you would bind and break my prayer for healing for Pastor Jerry's father-in-law, or for Dru's family in their time of horror for peace and guidance, or for her safe return to the loving embrace of her family?

God is love. We as Pagans and Wiccans act in love, walk in love, share in love. Is that not God?

I am sure you are all familiar with the classic Christian book "In His Steps" written by Charles Sheldon in the late 1800's. Fantastic book. It is a reminder for all of us, Christian or non-Christian to think before we speak, act or react and reflect upon the question, what would Jesus do? Am I speaking out of love or fear? Am I showing love or am I feeling uncomfortable? I have always said and believe, who wouldn't want to be a person like Jesus?

So, as we all continue in these discussions, let us think before we speak and be very careful with one another for we are all precious and worthy of being listened to and respected, despite our theological differences. It will help to facilitate communication and as we build relationships, we will each be touched and be blessed, for we are each a blessing and a gift to one another as well as teachers and students of one another.

I say these things not to persuade anyone to explore our religions or disuade anyone from their beliefs. I deeply feel that each one of you is on the spiritual path that speaks to the very core of your beings and is exactly where you are meant to be.

That said, I have some grave concerns about some things I have read here. We live in a world of much miscommunication and chaos, where people lash out at that which frightens them or takes them out of their comfort zones. We have a propensity to judge that which we don't understand.

Both Brother_Storm and I have taken the utmost care to show respect and support for each and every one of you. We have not denigrated your beliefs in any way, shape and form.

It is understood that as a Christian that you are called to witness, but I pose this question to each and every one of you and challenge you all to give it some thought and prayer.

This is the non-believers board. There is the potential for a multitude of non-believers to pass through these "cyber-doors". When these non-believers step through the thresh-hold of this very sacred place, will they see the love and light of your God and savior Jesus Christ shining?

Many lives have been lost due to similar ignorant, though well-intentioned thinking.

Brightest blessings,

BornAgainPagan


Below I added some thoughts that came to mind while reading the following prayer posted by StarChylde: