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Thy Kingdome come...on earth as it is in heaven.........

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Posted by: eagle4him

We have all prayed this prayer ( The Our Father) many times over. What does it really mean? Do we comprehend our roles as ambassadors in the Kingdom of God. Do we know what kingdom living is all about. I for one, admit that I do not understand all of the kingdom principles. For the most part, I live mostly in this physical world. But I believe the Lord is trying to shift my focus to kingdom living.

Recently I have been stirred by several passages. In the book of Matthew chapter 4, it states that after John the Baptist was arrested, Jesus began to preach about the kingdom of God. I've heard it preached before that "the flesh had to be arrested before the kingdom could be preached!"

This was just the beginning...


Posted by: christythompson

Good food for thought


Posted by: sonrise

Romans 14:17-18: the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. We must manifest it in the earth as it already is in heaven. What greater joy do have than to manifest it here on earth. Do you not think that people will be drawn to that as Christ is shown in His glory?!!

People often associate heaven with the kingdom of God. In one of the posts I just read, referred to just that (the one where someone has come out of the closet). IT really means that if sin has a hold of your life, you will not walk or know the fruit of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. It does not mean that you cannot go to heaven. Many will not see their purpose of life fullfilled in the earth. It does not exclude you from heaven. Many will disagree with that, but when you receive Christ and you believe unto Him, He receives you, sin just keeps you from the fullness of Christ being manifest in your life and you won't be truly victorious here on earth.

i read over and over on many posts that we are just sinners. Then when one confessess something (homosexuality)----oh its goiing to keep you from heaven. So if we are all sinners (which I am not!!!) then who can go to heaven, with that belief system? When I received Christ I was translated out of old (sinner)and am no longer a sinner but victorious (saint). I live in righteousness, peace and joy in the holy spirit. I was regenerated. My spiritual DNA was changed!!!

NOt only do I live in the kingdom but the kingdom is within me. That is something that many fail to realize. Not only does Christ live within me but I must live within Christ. Many receive Him but do not step into Him and thus struggle with Godly living. People pray "oh hide me away in the cleft of the rock . . . " yet if you are in Christ you already are in the cleft of the rock. You were put there when you received Christ. I thank Him that I am hidden, that His wing overshadows me, that I have already been made victorious, I have already overcome. That is kingdom living. I don't even think about sin. Yes, I am tempted, but He has overcome it for me and as long as I am in him, it cannot have me. Each hour I have a choice; Christ or the flesh, I am going to remain hidden in Him!

I am excited that Bruce has brought it up, as people are now coming into kingdom living and wanting to really understand it. Myles Munroe has taught on this subject for years now and has some very good books on kingdom prinicples. When we really see believers grasp the kingdom principles and begin to walk in it, we will see such an explosion within the body of Christ; His glory will inhabit the earth. Keep it up Bruce!!!!!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well, lets not get too strict about what God speaks. For God has provided us Grace to help us overcome sin. Yes, sin can restrict our relationship with God. But, let us be reminded of other Paul spoke under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit-

He being the greatest of the Apostles spoke of his needing to keep his own body and mind under subjection. This is work. Its reading and studying God's Word to learn from God. Being in prayer to God for strength to overcome temptatationns, while still, dealing with our old "carnal nature", for the flesh lusting against the Spirit.

Growth and developement of our relationship and closeness with God takes time and effort. A want to do this. The more we grow, the less sin will have a hold over us, for the more we learn how to allow God by the Holy Spirit to lead and be in control of our lives for keeping us from sin.

But, while alive here on earth, we are still all equally born in sin, for God declares there is no one worthy to be saved, but by His Grace thru our faith in Christ, we can know we are cleansed, but only in spirit to this point. As when die, our bodies do not go to Heaven, but spirit does.

God declares, if we claim we have no sin, we decieve ourselves. If we become perfect in rightceousness after getting saved, we will no longer sin again. Thats a lie of Satan. Regardless of who it is who's gotten saved, if understanding God's Truth, they still will sin again and when they do sin, they will seek God again in repentance and work harder not to fall to it again.

I would suggest some reading of Scriptures where God and Christ both clearly show the practices of people, that will keep them out of Heaven if do not repent and turn away from it.

If someone wants to claim total victory over all sin and believe they don't sin anymore because Christ died for them, spend a month around them and will guarantee you'll see them fall to some sin. In this type of senario, that usaully means pride right off the bat to think ourselves to be so perfect now.

The Kingdom of God is not here as yet on earth, for God declares "unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulders". First and second advent of Christ in same Scriipture.

Unto us a child is born- (Christ's virgin birth and life spent here with us). Unto us a Son is given- (at His bodily return). Why? Rev. 19:11-16- v 16- "And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written- KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS".

This is when the Kingdom shall be on earth. Thats when the "government shall be upon His shoulders". Not now, not until His bodily return to earth for the 1,000 year reign will the Kingdom of God be on earth.

Yes, Jesus has overcame death by sin thru His ressurrection and ascention. But those of us still living in this physical world are still battling Satan's influence to lure us to sin. Therefore, we are victorious thru Christ belonging to Him, to be able by His power thru the Holy Spirit to overcome sin, but God still shows we must battle our "carnal nature", which wars against the Holy Spirit wanting us to avoid it.

Remember, Jesus will be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, but not yet, for He had to leave earth for a time, to allow the "Comforter"- (Holy Spirit), to come and lead us to all Truth. Therefore, the Kingdm cannot be here with us until Christ returns as that Leader with the government upon His Shoulders at that time.

Besides, if we are to believe we are living in the Kingdom now, where are the wild animals laying down with each other with no fear, along with the other clear signs given of Christ's Kingdom being present?

We need to stay in context to God's Word for understanding the timing for all things to keep them strait. This is about the same thing as happened back in the year 999, when in the last few months many were running around claiming the world had to prepare for Christ's return at the stroke of midnight at the end of 999.

Rev. 19 shows Christ's return to earth for His reign of government and 20:4 shows how His Bride- (Body of Christ), will rule and reign with Him for that 1,000 years. From there on as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Kinda hard to claim his Kingdom is already on earth and in us here, when there are no signs present of It seen as yet.

Truely that would be great if Christ's Kingdom were here now, but its just not Biblically based.

God Bless!!


Posted by: sonrise

CC I will not argue or quote scripture to refute you one way the other. I am tired of certain attitudes taken in many of these posts. I just have one question, what makes you the authority on just about every subject that comes up on this site? If i offend you, Iam sorry, yet I am having a very difficult time with you and have left this site many times because of it. I don't know if it is just me, but I find it very difficult to respond anymore because of what I perceive to be an attitude.


Posted by: eagle4him

I liked sonrise's thought-provoking message. I have not posted my own thoughts, because like I previously stated, I am just now beginning to embrace this. As I am being transformed into His image from glory to glory (2 Cor 3:18) I know that I must be continually cleansed from all impurity in thought, word, and deed.

Here is my thought for the day on kingdom living. The kingdom is where the King lives!

Isaiah 57:15 (New International Version)


15 For this is what the high and lofty One says—
he who lives forever, whose name is holy:
"I live in a high and holy place,
but also with him who is contrite and lowly in spirit,
to revive the spirit of the lowly
and to revive the heart of the contrite.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Forgive me if either of you consider discussions as arguements. I saw this topic as insight shared, and a responce expounded on and then I shared my view.

Forgive me if my style of presentation offends anyone, but God has raised me and trained me in discussing topics, to prompt people to want to read and search Scriptures for searching for Truths themselves.

Too many of God's Children just want to sit and be spoon fed only at church or other Church events for learning about God and our lives in Him. I seek to prompt an interest in them to want to read Scriptures themselves and possibly find the Holy Spirit touching them to keep reading and learning from there for thier own relationship to grow in God better as such.

Thank you for your insights, I shall strive to change the way I present views, so as not to come across argumentative or in other negative ways.

Keep in mind as well, this is a discussion Forum, therefore open to all views, agreeable or disagreeable, and ways of presenting views will be just as diverse as there are views, they should not be taken personally, or as arguing, but presenting a person's view.

If I come across too bold or possibly "stand offish", let me know. I'll do what I can to change that. Point out the places where I say things that cause this. But do not expect me to not respond, if God guides me to do so.

Sometimes I may use words or phrases that put people on the deffensive. I can get bold speaking out at times. Its not mean't to be personal or as arguing, but if bothers anyone, they can tell me, so as to try and change it, to make my presentations less offensive or "stand offish".

I only share that which God has taught me thru out my life with Him, that is all. God having lead me thru a Ministry of helps over 30 years, He has taught me alot of info in alot of areas. It does not make me an authority in anything, but someone who does have insights that can be shared, covering a wide range of topics, to the extent of what I've learned, or ways in which God has helped me learn how to pick up on more insights for further understanding. That is all.

Forgive me if my sharing comes across as an attitude. Its not. As God guides me to post in particular areas, I then share what He has taught me, thats all.

God has brought all people who are here, here for a reason and has touched them as He knows best and has chosen specific people for particular reasons to positions here, be they those who spend all thier time praying for people and posting prayers, to those who are called to pray about news and bring up news, those for praying for nations and related events, to those called to bring up and discuss topics, to those in leadership positions here.

All of these aspects of God's Prayer Board here thru Pastor, are equally important and none any higher or better than another, for all are needed to fulfill the Ministry that God produces here.

But, whenever something or someone seems to bother us here, we need to sit back and look at the situation and seek God's guidance for how He or Christ would have us view the situation. Not every time, but many times it can be satan influencing us to take offense about something that is not or was not mean't that way, but mistaken as such.

As for the person God created me, I cannot please everyone for who or what I am, as myself or the person God wants of me in Him thru Christ. Neither can you, or Akabezalel, or Pastor or others here please all others. Some will be "rubbed the wrong way" by the way I present myself, where others can be quite delighted. This happens on other Forums I frequent.

I personally don't look to get along with everyone, as if try, I fail them and they are hurt worse in the end. I present myself for who I am as a person and in Christ, and those who are receptive will respond in kind, those not, either let me know or let themselves get offended.

The Apostle Paul demonstrates this in his speaking about how God has made him all things to all people. With exception. That "thorn of the flesh" buffeting him. A demon of Satan's was sent to influence a person to follow Paul around and irritate him and disrupt God's Ministry for him. That was clearly an example where someone could not accept Paul. Another was who, Barnabus I believe, Paul and he had to part ways as they just could not get along.

Think on these things people and what may be triggering our being irritated or offended by something or someone here and why.

God bless!!

If there are problems someone may have with another, let it be brought out and discussed and resolved.


Posted by: JeriRose12

I understand what you are saying, CC, about the literal earthly Kingdom that Jesus will rule over in the 1000 year reign. But I think that Bruce is wondering about the scriptures that say, "The Kingdom is within you." I have been wondering about this lately, too, as Jesus main message when He came to earth was "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." What does this refer to? And how do we live in this kingdom that is not a literal kingdom you can see with your eyes? Jesus said His Kingdom was not of the earth (or this world) -- as in the Jews thought He would set up a Kingdom on earth and wipe out the Romans. That's why the reject him as Messiah: because he never set up a physical Kingdom, so they could march out as soldiers from it and eradicate the Romans. None the less, one of His names is King of the Jews. So Jesus IS a King of a kingdom, even though the Jews rejected Him as their king. I am thinking to do a study on the parrabels, because nearly every one has a reference to the Kingdom of Heaven. If Jesus talked so much about the Kingdom of Heaven, it would seem we need to get a grasp and understanding of what it is.

~JeriRose~


Posted by: JeriRose12

I know that I have offeded people (I've gotten PMs or been directly replied to in the thread), and it's usually when I'm postig Biblical truth. If I am telling someone the Bible says a fornicator or homosexual will burn in hell, I often get negative or hateful replies. But I did not write the Bible. It is God breahed by His Holy Spirit. So their argument is not with me, it's with God. I don't have to absorb the offense, because they are just striking out at the messenger, who is an easy target. They really need to take it up with God.

The sad fact is, they can ignore me and turn me off and quit reading my posts. . .but some day they will face Jesus at the judgement. And what can they do then? There is NOWHERE to run or hide. Every deed is laid bear. Many that have said, "Lord, Lord" are not going to heaven. . .let alone those who have continued in sin thinking God would somehow excuse it. God does not CHANGE for anyone. God's Word does not change; it is ETERNAL. People get mad, but it really is "Turn or burn."

Further, God told Ezekiel to WARN the people of coming judgement if they didn't stop sinning. He told Ezekiel if they didn't repent, it wasn't his fault, because he had done his part in warning them. He was told that if he did not warn them, then their blood would be required of his hands. Therefore, if we are one of God's watchmen in the body (of which I know that I am), we have to warn. It is our mandate from God. We have no other choice. It would be cruel and heartless to not warn someone continuing in unrepentant sin that they will end up in hell if they do not repent.

~JeriRose~


Posted by: Christian Commando

I know the Scripture that is referenced here about "behold, the kindom of God is within you". The misconception in this case about that? The above is from Lk. 17:20-21. but, as stated before, the above belief claimed of it is out of context.

Read alittle further and notice what Jesus states after that- 17:22-24- V 22- "The days shall come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and ye shall not see it." 24- For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under Heaven; shineth unto the other part under Heaven; so shall also the Son of Man be in His Day." (Direct reference to Christ's bodily return to earth- every eye shall see the Son of Man coming in His Glory).

So, the reference Christ made before of the- "kingdom of God is within you", was in reference to the Holy Spirit dwelling within God's children, but not the actual Kingdom of God Itself. The Holy Spirit is the third Member of the Trinity and part of that Kingdom, but is not Christ. Therefore this is symbolic of that indwelling being the Kingdom, not mean't as the actual Kingdom of God. And Christ clarifies this in vs 22-24 after that.

The battle is not of the flesh but of the spirit and it would do well for all involved to remember that, so we keep focus on exchanging to learn, rather than resorting to Satan's wishes of lowering this or any further discussions to false personal issues.

Should anyone else care to ask how i can speak on so many topics, I invite them to the storage unit where I still have what is left of over 20 years of research paperwork I've held on to, which they are most welcome to sit down and take the time to go thru themselves.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

Both John the Baptist and Jesus stated to repent for the kingdom of heaven was at hand. Matthew 3:2, 4:17

Then in Mathew4:23, Jesus preached about the kingdom, and then visible signs and wonders followed: He healed every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

This follows what I believe is the message of Mark 16: 16-20 where it says that the gospel will be preached, then the signs will follow those that believe.

This I believe is the message of the Kingdom of God. That when the gospel of kingdom privilege and kingdom authority is preached, then there will be accompanying sings and wonders to testify to its authenticity. The Bible does not say that when the message of prosperity or happiness or how to live a good life is preached, and it is preached a lot, that signs and wonders would follow it to confirm it.

Matthew 5, the beatitudes:

Blessed are the poor in spirit...theirs is the kingdom of heaven
Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness...theirs is the kingdom of heaven
whoever keeps and teaches the commandments will be great in the kingdom of heaven

seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things, (food, clothing, shelter, daily bread) will be added to you..Matthew 6:34

Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and pharisees you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven Matthew 5:20

Not everyone who says, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of my father. Matthew7:21

The kingdom of heaven is at hand, Matthew 3:2

So the Kingdom Jesus preached about is near, at hand, and to come. When the gospel of the kingdom is preached, signs and wonders will follow for those that believe. Jesus and God the Father reside in the kingdom of heaven, God has given all things to Jesus and Jesus has given all things to us, through revelation knowledge by His Holy Spirit (John 16:15)

Therefore, I believe that our authority is of the kingdom and in the kingdom (of heaven, or the spirit realm). That is where we make things happen, then bring them down to earth through the Holy Spirit and the authority of Jesus Christ, and His blood.

...just a few thoughts as I seek more revelation of His kingdom.

Lord, I pray that You would enlighten us with revelation of the hidden mysteries of the kingdom. I know You are faithful to those that dilligently seek Your face. I accept others' opinions as well, others' teachings, Lord, as I seek Your truth.

For His Kingdom, His honor and His glory.............


Posted by: JeriRose12

There is a teaching out there, commonly held by many, called Kingdom or Dominion theology. This is the teaching that we, as Christ's bride are preparing the earth for when He comes back for His 1,000 year reign. They teach that we will take over the government, the schools, the financial institutions and so on....influencing every area until all are run by Christians. So, that way, when Christ comes back, He just slides in and takes over. Some do not believe in a catching away of the church, but that Jesus comes down here and joins His people who have prepared earth for Him and others do believe in a catching away of the bride to Heaven (which makes no sense, because why then were we preparing the earth)?

(Well, the more I read, the more confusing is gets as to who believes what with just what little difference here or there).

They speak of the remnant bride (though not all who use this term are teaching Kingdom or Dominion theology) and the manifest sons of God. They believe there will be an end time group of Christians who are a kind of super race of Christians -- reaching perfection in Christ. I believe they are thinking of that scripture that says He's coming for a church without spot or wrinkle (not sure where the manifest sons of God scripture is).

They say when we all come to that perfection, the entire body of Christ will be a mirror image of Christ, and this is one of their interpretations of the second coming. It was a little confusing to figure out where the actual, literal return of Christ (where they say He comes to regin for a 1,000 years) fit into this.

I origanlly read that this teaching came from The Latter Rain Movement, something that was started after World War II. Now, I am thinking this may not be the particular view of "Dominion" they believe in. Many have broken away from this group, realizing that they went into aberrant teachings. But a lot Christians lean toward this "Dominion" idea, of us basically taking over the earth. The idea is if we are to have dominion, should we not be taking it all back for Christ? Reclaiming every area and everything for Him? Only some teach it with the twist that we will be caught away to Heaven. Now, as I read from The Latter Rain Movement, I see that they are talking about taking Dominion in another form (see post below). Sorry for any misrepresentation.

The problem as I see it is He never HAD all these areas. When man sinned in the garden, there were no schools, banks, governemnts, etc. that they had dominion over. So, to say we have to take them back does not seem to line up with scripture. If Jesus told the Jews His Kingdom was not of this world, then why would Christians of today think that we are to take all these things over to turn over to Him? After Satan caused man to fall, wasn't he the god of this world? So these things never belonged to Christ, they were greatly of devil influenced origin.

The Jews had their own method of teaching their children -- as in they were told to teach their children the ways of The Lord. They had their own institutions all set up within Israel. The problem was, they kept rejecting God, so He let them be led into captivity, at which point they did influence the world somewhat, as in Daniel and others who had favor with heathen kings.

I just do not find this teaching of the Kingdom of God to be taught in scripture. I can not find scriptures that command us to "take over" the world's institutions and, thus, to get the world ready for Jesus to rule. If this was the case, why does Jesus not preach this in his parables about the Kingdom of Heaven? I can't think of any about us taking dominion. They seem to be about being prepared for The Lord's return and making sure we are ready for Heaven and so on.

The aposltes did not teach such a doctrine, or why weren't they telling the early church to run for public office and get voted in to positions of influence? Rather the Bible speaks to people in every possible walk of life -- from influential to obscure, from rich to poor -- none is supposedly any better than the rest. They are all commanded the same things, to love God above all and to respond with God's love to all around them. This is the means to our influence: loving people with the love of God. We are hear to spread the Gospel to the lost, not to "take over" the world for Jesus. At least, I can not find supporting scriptures for such.

So, according to what I see in the Bible, the Kingdom of God or Heaven is not us being in control of every institution on the earth. It is us influencing the world to come to faith in Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. If His Kingdom is not of this world, than why would be trying to take dominion in it? We are supposed to be taking dominion over the powers and principalities, etc. We wrestle not against flesh and blood. So the Kingdom we represent is a spiritual one, not a literal, physcial one.

I believe as CC said in a FUTURE literal, physical setting up of God's Kingdom on earth, when Jesus and His own rule and reign for a 1,000 years. But I don't believe we need to be preparing this earth for Him to come back and take over. The Bible says there will be a new heavens and a new earth. So, why would we be getting it all set up, if it is all going to be wiped out and remade? The Bible says "world without end, amen," so I do not believe the earth is going to be totally destroyed. I just believe that it is all going to be rearranged. Also, after the 1,000 years, the devil will be loosed for a time and allowed to deceive as many as he can. So, why would we be hard at work taking dominion, when the prince of the power of the air is going to be loosed to try to control things again?

I suggest that our taking dominion is over the devil -- the prince of the power of the air and the god of this world -- not over the physical institutions on the earth. We are going to influence through doing spiritual warfare and seeing the hearts of people changed, not through voting in Christians who will pass righteous laws. This is all well and good, but, ulitmately, it is a changed heart, not a law, that will determine the morals of a nation. The more people we get saved, the more righeous laws will stand a chance.

The way I understand scripture, though, Israel is the only country to ever be a theocracy. No idea that we are to be like Israel is ever presented anywhere in scripture. Jesus never said He was picking some new country to be the one He headed up as the ruler of it. Rather, it says that those in Heaven will be out of all kindreds, tongues and nations. So, now, we simply are called to come out from them and be separate in the individual nations, not that ONE, individual nation is called to be His people as Israel was. (I still believe Isreal is His chosen, and He has plans for it, though that is an entirely different thread and a topic I would have to research a lot more).

So, if you can shed light FROM SCRIPTURE on this "Kingdom" or "Dominion" theology I would appreciate it. I can not seem to find scriptural support. But I am open to anything BIBLICAL you can find. I am open to learning, but only from what is clearly stated in scripture. Too many take one little scripture (rather than ALL scripture as a whole) and form some major doctrine off it.

What I read in scritpure is that things will be getting worse and worse on the earth before Jesus return, not that Christians are taking over (which would mean they are getting better) and getting it all prepared for Him. If he comes as a thief in this night, this suggests few are ready. Remember the five virgins whose lamps went out? Remember the servant who figured the Master wasn't going to return for a long time, so he started beating his fellow servant? This sounds to me like things are getting worse, not better.

Also, a common teaching along with this is this huge end time revival we keep hearing about. But I am not sure if there is scriptural support of this, either. Jesus said, "Nevertheless, when I return, will I find faith on the earth?" Also, it says FEW there be that find it (the straight gate and narrow way). There don't seem to be scriptures that support many being swept into the Kingdom as we hear about. Some have prophecied cities saved in a day and the like. I am not sure if this is Biblically supported. This came out ot the Dominion and Kingdom teaching of The Latter Rain Movement. Again, if you can find SCRIPTURES to the opposite, I am glad to hear them, perfectly willing to learn. But I am not interested in MAN'S OPINION -- please only present BIBLE VERSES that say there will be a huge end time outpouring.

Joel was alreday fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost or is there a greater yet outpouring to come? The early church had it ALL going on -- the things they now say are being "restored" were all happening. I don't believe these things should ever have left the church, therefore, they should not have to be restored. Sadly, people grew skeptical of the moving of The Spirit, of tongues and other maifestations, and I am curious as to why. Jesus said He would send His spirit, He would come to us, in the form of His Spirit, not leave us orphans. So why are people today so skeptical when the Spirit moves in a supernatural or miraculous way? Why did this leave the church (Okay, maybe this is another thread)? We do not need things restored that were always meant to be in the church. (This is also some Latter Rain Moveent teaching). Perhaps, we simply need to return to our FIRST LOVE and do the things we did at the first!!!

Anyway, I am open to any SCRIPTURE that supports any of this kind of teaching about Christians taking dominion through the governments, etc.

In all of our discussions here, it has to be WORD based for it to have any truth. We are trying to find out what the Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God is, so we should be searching scripture and nothing else to find out. The Holy Spirit was given to lead us into all truth. When I read, I ask Him to explain to me what it means. Not that God has not placed leadership in the body to preach and teach The Word to us, but rather than rely on man's interpretation of what they think it means, I ask The Spirit to show me as well. Then, if man has a right interpretation, the Spirit will confirm it to me.

Just by reading scripture, I can recall a sermon I heard and say, "That doesn't line up with scripture." We have to search the scriptures to see if these things are so. That's why meditating on His Word day and night is a good thing!

Well, sorry this is so long.....Thanks for reading through it. (I don't always get back to discussion thread replies, but will make sure and check back in here.)

~JeriRose~


Posted by: JeriRose12

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
Both John the Baptist and Jesus stated to repent for the kingdom of heaven was at hand. Matthew 3:2, 4:17

Then in Mathew4:23, Jesus preached about the kingdom, and then visible signs and wonders followed: He healed every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

This follows what I believe is the message of Mark 16: 16-20 where it says that the gospel will be preached, then the signs will follow those that believe.

This I believe is the message of the Kingdom of God. That when the gospel of kingdom privilege and kingdom authority is preached, then there will be accompanying sings and wonders to testify to its authenticity. The Bible does not say that when the message of prosperity or happiness or how to live a good life is preached, and it is preached a lot, that signs and wonders would follow it to confirm it.

Matthew 5, the beatitudes:

Blessed are the poor in spirit...theirs is the kingdom of heaven
Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness...theirs is the kingdom of heaven
whoever keeps and teaches the commandments will be great in the kingdom of heaven

seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things, (food, clothing, shelter, daily bread) will be added to you..Matthew 6:34

Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and pharisees you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven Matthew 5:20

Not everyone who says, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of my father. Matthew7:21

The kingdom of heaven is at hand, Matthew 3:2

So the Kingdom Jesus preached about is near, at hand, and to come. When the gospel of the kingdom is preached, signs and wonders will follow for those that believe. Jesus and God the Father reside in the kingdom of heaven, God has given all things to Jesus and Jesus has given all things to us, through revelation knowledge by His Holy Spirit (John 16:15)

Therefore, I believe that our authority is of the kingdom and in the kingdom (of heaven, or the spirit realm). That is where we make things happen, then bring them down to earth through the Holy Spirit and the authority of Jesus Christ, and His blood.

...just a few thoughts as I seek more revelation of His kingdom.

Lord, I pray that You would enlighten us with revelation of the hidden mysteries of the kingdom. I know You are faithful to those that dilligently seek Your face. I accept others' opinions as well, others' teachings, Lord, as I seek Your truth.

For His Kingdom, His honor and His glory.............


Thanks for all these scriptures. That is why I don't believe the "Dominion" or "Kingdom" theology I just posted about. Our authority is over the devil, over sickness, over sin and so on...not over governents and earthly institutions.

~JeriRose~


Posted by: JeriRose12

Hmmm....they (The Latter Rain people) are saying that Dobson and others believe the "Dominion" teaching, but I also read it was attributed to The Latter Rain Movment. It seems there are various views on "Dominion." The article I just read is a teaching of the Kingdom through achieving peace and justice -- justice leading to peace. They are saying the Kingdom of Heaven was preached to the poor, and they believe we must preach the Gospel to the poor, which is how we will usher the Kingdom in. They say it's future (as in 1,000 year regin) but it's now among us, too. They are big on Liberation Theology (a new term to me). They are saying that we must liberate the poor and opressed and this will usher in the Kingdom. By liberating the poor and opressed, we are going to grow the kingdom person to person, household to household, town to town and so on.... The overriding idea in all the "Dominion" teaching is that in some form we are taking over the earth with the Gospel. The Latter Rain Movement is saying it is through moving in the power of The Spirit, too.

Sorry, if I misrepresented what they teach.

It's hard to grasp what these aberrant groups teach, because they often countradict themselves. I will keep researching.

~JeriRose~


Posted by: JeriRose12

The main reason I am saying what they teach is to warn people about false teachings, as I heard this group has had a major influcence on the pentecostal and charismatic movements. I know that I have run into their teachings in various forms in various Christian circles. So I assume, at some time, all of us will. We need to know what is out there so we can bring it into the light of scripture. I in no way endorse or believe any of thier teachings. They even linked me to a site with the Bhuddists and Muslims helping them promote the peace and justice, the liberation of the poor and opressed. But since they do a major amount of teaching on "the kingdom" I wanted to comment on their views.


Posted by: eagle4him

Jeri good job on teh "other" schools of thought. I think we agree that the Kingdom Jesus preached is about taking the authority Jesus gave us in the spiritual realm, or in the kingdom of heaven and exercising dominion over it using the weapons Paul talks about. When we do this, then heaven will truly come down to earth.

I think a lot of religious people try to exercise control over their physical worlds then hope and pray that God will changes things. God cannot break His own rules. If our authority is in the kingdom then we must exercise our influence there. If we walk in the truth of the kingdom, then we will truly be able to change our physical realities.

We declare in the heavens, then it is manifest here on this earth, not the other way around. But the "flesh" (John the Baptist) must first be "arrested"!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, very good Eagle, you proved my point exactly with those Scriptures you provided and remarks about them concerning the Kingdom, for John the Baptist was paving the way for Jesus the Messiah's soon appearance.

And Jesus speaking of it "at hand", was in showing God would regain full authority over the earth once more thru Christ's sacrifice, then to give Jesus all authority.

Thus, your right, the priveledge and power (authority), given us are signs of the Kingdom to come, by the Holy Spirit demonstrating such things thru God's children. For even Jesus Christ declares the Kingdom is "at hand", which translates to near, close, close to, near to, etc.

As for "walking in the Truth of the Kingdom", if you mean "exorcising that Truth", yes, for I suggest the majority of the "Body of Christ" have heard the teaching of the priviledge and power we have thru Christ and by the Holy Spirit, but helping those not exorcising It, to have the belief and faith in thier heart these things can happen, to produce the faith to bring forth the evidence of that.

As Jesus said of the religious Leaders of His Day- "Do as they say, but not as they do". For they taught the Truth, but did not live it.

Quite true about declaring it to Heaven first, to see it manifested on earth, for if we do not die to the flesh and allow the Holy Spirit to gain more control over our lives, the less that Heavenly authority can be witnessed in our lives or others by God thru us.

But these are only signs of the Kingdom of Christ to come manifested thru us. As you pointed out, Scriptures clearly show It is "at hand"- near, close at hand, to come.

Very good.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JG

I want to commend all of you for your input into this topic.

As with some of you so with me has the Lord been teaching us on His Kingdom.

To some of you it is a now kingdom for the spiritual
To some it is a kingdom to come later on
To some it is a kingdom to take over world not just later but for today.

Please try not and take the comments against your understanding as an attack.

That is what this board is all about.
TRUTH.

Truth will prevail.
I am not afraid of making a mistake or changing my mind.
That is wisdom and growth.

I look forward to the day when i have a full understanding of His Kingdom.

I pray the Father in heaven will give all of us a soft heart and a humble heart to learn exactly what He wants us to learn about His kingdom.

Until then my children be a peace in Jesus name.


Pastor Jerry


Posted by: Christian Commando

Actually Pastor, would you mind sharing any teachings God has given you. or insight to understanding of this topic that may help ours? For my limited knowledge compared to God's, I could only be partly right myself. I'd like to be able to learn more where the oportunity avails itself.

Thank you-

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

I heard some stirring teaching on praying for revival, from Lenord Ravenhill, who does believe in the big end time revival, especially in America. I do believe revival tarries because we don't pray. And I do believe Jesus will save many before He returns -- He's not willing that any should perish, so I know He is going to be doing all possible to get people into His Kingdom. I guess it is the flavor of much of the teaching....not speaking of a TRUE revival of repentance, but this Americanized version that is posperity and "Bless me" driven.

At any rate, I was challanged with the sheer HOURS some have spent in prayer in praying revivals into countries or regions or areas.

~JeriRose~


Posted by: Christian Commando

You just reminded me of a Concept that has prompted the reasoning I believe as I do with some aspects or events.

Its refered to as the- "shadow of things to come" Concept. I've always considered the Kingdom partly here because of the Holy Spirit in us, but to provide only a "shadow" of the true Kingdom to come.

Now, since it is the Holy Spirit, a member of the Trinity, part of that Kingdom is already here. At the same time, its "but a shadow of things to come". So, I guess now I'm neutral about it, since not sure if limiting God, or might be making more of the Scriptures.

But one of the main Concepts about the Kingdom already being here, refers to if we were to concentrate more on God, prayer and serving God in helping others as the Apostles, there would be many more miracles being seen. For myself, I've suspected this lack of attention we have for God, is the reason for this great outpouring of His Spirit to happen.

Thus, what we have seen already started is again- "but a shadow of things to come", in a future time.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

The kingdom of heaven is within, for Christ, by His Holy Spirit dewlls within us.

The kingdom is near, for we walk in the spirit of god.

The kingdom of heaven is to come because we will all go there eventually, either being raptured, caught up gathered, or when we die.

Again, the Kingdom of God is where the King is: within us, near us and among us and to come at a future time.

We are first citizens of the Kingdom, this is where our authority is, this is where the king is, this is where the battle takes place, this is where prayers are answered, this is where the High and lofty one resides.

God bless all who have contributed to this study. Grace and peace!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Agreed Eagle, to the point it is near for the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, but while He may be a Member of the Trinity, He is not Jesus Christ who will be, not yet appointed, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

As you stated, the Kingdom is where the King is, and Jesus is in Heaven, not dwelling within us, but the "Spirit of Christ" is.

Yes, we've seen all manner of mirales Jesus did when He was here, done by the Holy Spirit thru God's Children, but I've yet, as described of signs of Christ's Kingdom when here, to see all animals and birds turned back to vegetarians and meat eating animals laying down next to prey they go after, in perfect harmony. And there are other signs also. So, just because some are evident, only proves it "at hand"- near to coming, but not necessarily here as yet.

Besides, what percentage of the world population does the "Body of Christ" comprise at this time compared to the percentage of unsaved? This is why I believe its here in "Spirit", as representation, but not in reality, for its the Holy Spirit, not Christ Himself. Te Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, but not God the Father or Christ.

Sorry, but for me, there is no Biblical basis strong enough to prove what you claim. As God declares Christ, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, will rule with a rod of iron.

Its just as you refered to in an earlier post, you could not strait out say the Kingdom was here, but all your references spoke of it as- "at hand", near, to come. I believe the same thing by wording, its not here yet, but will be. None of those by translation means it here, but immanent, soon to come, near. So, thats what I believe.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

Matthew 3:2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" Already Here! At least according to Jesus Christ, Himself!

The Spirit of Christ in us is the Holy Spirit! or at least according to St. Paul, the Apostle in Romans 8:9

I see no Biblical basis for vegetarianism to come, CC. Not sure what philosophy you are trying to make up here.

The kingdom authority is present in this age evident by the signs and wonders that follow when the gospel of grace, authored by Jesus Christ Himself is preached. If you are not aware of this then perhaps you should try another church. Maybe even attend some of Pastor Jerry's services, as signs and wonders definitely follow there!

I wont argue or defend semantics about Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit and God, oblivious of the basic doctrine of the "trinity", and no, I do not have any Biblical passage that specifically mention the trinity, either. But then, this is just exactly what the spirit of religion would have us do: argumentation that is pointless, seeking to build up the person and distract from the teachings of truth, the gospel of Jesus Christ. I cannot go there!

Lord, I thank You for the revelation of Your Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Christ living within us.

grace and peace to all!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dear Bro-

Sorry, you had it right the first time- Matt. 3:2 was John the baptist. And I will not respond to that, as you well know I had already.

As for Matt. 4:17- This was Jesus saying it yes, because He was right there, in person. It meant He would be bringing the Kingdom of Heaven to earth soon. (Remember, a day to God is as 1,000 years to man- estimated 2 days for God before Christ would return).

Old Test Prophecies speak of how God will send His Son to establish a Kingdom that would remove or destroy all others and last forever- Dan. 2:44, among many others.

The signs that would be seen in this Kingdom (animals)- Isa. 11:4-9. (literal Word, not philosophy).

Yes, right about Rom. 8:9, but see no reference to this being the "Kingdom", Remember, God's Word always speaks of "the Kingdom of God", not God being the Kingdom, unless I have missed some Scriptures.

Again with "Kingdom authority"- ( power of Kingdom), but not Kingdom itself. Acts 2:16-20- (Nothing about signs of the Kingdom, but of the spirit of God). 4:30, signs and wonders by the name of thy holy Child, Jesus- ( no claim of them by the Kingdom in us), plus many more. Nothing about the kingdom being in us or on earth now, by the signs and wonders.

Think about it- a King can leave his Kingdom to go to another area. He may represent his Kingdom as a person, a King of it, but he has not brought his kingdom along. Thus, Jesus, while here first, represented the "Kingdom of Heaven" which is why He could state "repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand".

I ask you look this- Matt.4:17, up in Greek "at hand"- 1448, 1451,1452,4331, plus more. They all mean- come near, draw near;- at hand [9], come nigh [6], drew nigh [6], drew near [4], etc, etc. But not - here now, right now, right here, or any such thing.

Bro, before you come across claiming another's questioning of your teachngs are trying to puff them up and distract from what you claim to be Truth, prove your doctrine first, that what you are sharing can be proven before claiming others are only interested in personal edification, of which no person can judge the motives of another.

You better come to grips with the fact i'm not the only one who has spent my life reading, studying and researching God's Word for understanding and for seeking truth. Others on other christian sites would question you the same as I have about many of the same topics. I've met probably 4-6 of them already at other sites I frequent and the board loves our extended exchanges, because we are lovers of God and of researching for Truth. Not only both of us, but everyone else jumps in excited about so much we are all learning thru that, from all the responces triggering more thought. And no one gets offended or feels they are needing to defend themselves.

What we've learned has not come over night my friend, it took nearly 30 years for me alone to reach this point and the others all have 15 years or better into thier reading, studying and researching God's Word. And we are all still learning, realizing some things can be wrong we believe, or adding unto some things we knew, or learning something altogether we may not have known or understood before.

But, we test the spirit of doctrine when we question the others as lead to and the others lovingly and Graciously abliges with the info required to back up our teachings. We do not get offended or feel attacked and spit retorical remarks back at the other, rather, we embrace what God has called us to do by enjoying the reading, studying and researching His Word and more for Truth.

Anyone, regardless if wants to speak out themselves, or if called of God, is required and is thier duty to God, to spend the time required to seek knowledge and wisdom from God all they can to Glorify God only in sharing His Word and not seek personal edification, but leave that to God of them, if is God's Will to do so. Why? We are to decrease, that Christ can increase. Thats why I don't mind if not heard by others, as its God, not me, leading me into that position when I do share. If were not a Moderator, I'd still be here sharing as God leads me to, as He called me here to help on this Prayer Board. The Moderator position is an extra Blessing over the calling to help with prayers and more here. And I have already offered to give up Moderating, but it was rejected.

So, if anyone is wondering why I cover so many areas of responding and topics to boot here, its because God has spent almost 30 years Ministering to people thru me as a minister, thru a Mission of Helps", which has covered a very wide range of topics, situations, service for God, including Preaching and Teaching of His Word.

And I never saught any of it, God just kept putting me in a position to Minister to people, so I've lived that for over 25 years, learning the whole time and still am yet.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Rmartel

This is a most bullseye targeted post. And like Jesus who did not get attacked in the temple at 12 yrs old but when his ministry began. So if an
Interesting topic is mention that stirs you ask yourslef why?
I rad about Smith Wigglesworth to find out what has been lost since his ministry.
One thing that has helped me was and that i have never heard preached
in all my life and from all my sources and this needs to be explained for the profit of all. In otherwords doen't knock it until you tried it. If I invite you into my house and cook you a beautiful meal. Please taste it first before you critique it. The bible says to do the same "taste and see if it is not good"
So after saying this. I will tell you what I have learned from this man "Smith";
who had all the fruits of the Spirit and all the gifts in operation. Shall
I stoke out his life with one stroke of the pen. God forbid.No because he has nuggets of truth to offer. But they need to be tried and tested in me as well.
I have not raised the dead thru Christ nor have I healed anyone thru Jesus;
but I still believe and some day may do so.
Now to what was lost that he wrote about. Smith Wigglesworth had mentioned do not use the gifts unless the fruits were being used in your life as well. He mentioned that the fruits Galations 5:22 and the Gifts went hand in hand. And they were in an order of successsion.For example
The gift of the "Word of Wisdom " must be used with the fruit of the Spirit "Love" and that the gift of "Knowledge" must be used with the fruit of the Spirit "Joy" and also in the same successive order the Gift of"Faith"must
be accompanied by "Peace" and the gift of "Healing " is accompanied by the fruit of "longsuffering".
Now one of my problems is and was that I would get angry when someone would write something that I did not agree with. Tell me brothers and Sisters what fruit is that. I have to laugh at myself in this matter.I hope you see my point.
Well anyways I was not meditating on the fruit as I prayed to pray things through; that is not thinking of the Love of God or the Joy or the peace
and so forth. It would be wise to do so. So I did this yesterday; and as I was doing so the words of the Lord thru Paul came to me. " I have travailed in prayer that Christ would be formed in you" So I did so pray that christ would be formed in those around me. Also at the same time feeling the fruits for these people and feeling the specific struggles asking the lord for a word or revelation for each one and as I prayed these things thru
I seen very vivid clear pictures of each one I was praying for. I prayed that each one would eat of the fruit of the Spirit. With some I would see the struggle and instead of judging them and leaving them in that situation
like in the past I would meditate on the fruits and help them to put there house in order so as to restore them. And then after some time of pressing in and praying that Christ would be formed in them (praying it through)
I would be given an answer and would ask for this to be so for them.
Each time a relief would come. I would hear a word of knowlege for them
or sometimes see a picture. It was so neat and beautiful. Then I thought
Iwas done but the Holy Spirit who bears witness to Jesus reminded me of the past visions I had never prayed through. And I thought I was done.
This all happened because I applied something that was lost of the Kingdom by Smith Wigglesworth who flowed in all the gifts;along with the fruit of the Spirit. What beauty and profit for all.Was this man truly humble.
Sometimes people wonder why they didnot get the same revelation as Kenneth Hagin a man of God. Now he said "You need to get your own revelation" You need to go to the throne room yourself as well as I.
Smith wigglesworth said you need to receive thew giver before you can recieve his gift and or message.
There appears to be a lots of Gold in each one post here but sometimes it is in the form of ore like a gold mine needing to be refine thru prayer.
And sometimes it is revelation that we need to obtain ourselves.
In the mining buisness they call it grams per tonne of raw ore.But there is beauty in all this and we all can profit by it. If you notice that the ministers that do best have the fruit of the Spirit as they preach and sometimes we laugh and have Joy as a result of their teaching. Isn't that beautiful. I want this for one. So I guess I need to think as Phil 4 says as I write of speak. Those things that are good and pure and true.
Most of us will not take offence if the fruits are present.
It is interesting in the old testament that Gideon tore down and destroy alters in the physical. tearing down old dominions
It is also a fact that God prove to Nebuchanezzar that he only had his kingdom because God gave it to him. A lesson that needs to be believed today.
It is a fact that God rent the Kingdom from one and gave to another when his laws and statutes were not being followed.
Daniel did not bow down to the statue representing 5 kingdoms but chose to serve the true God. How many bow down to statues today.
Yet in religion some statues are bowed down to. And in Government it was said concerning statues "Its Alter shall not go unneglected"by Grover Cleveland(President of the USA back then)concerning the Statue of Liberty.Do these statues personify Christ?
Jerirose12 made an Interesting comment about where it states about revival in the endtimes and what scriptures pertain to this.
Awhile back I had read the book of Revelations and the thought came to me that it does not say anything about revival here. And this brought me low. As in woe was me;but then the Lord told me to take heart.He had revelation I did not have as of then.
So I will ask you Questions has the Gospel of the kingdom been preached to the ends of the world?
Has this been preached not in word but in power? Co 4:20
Has Isreal truly come into fruition even unto the ends of the world; the root of Jesse?
Have the Manifestation of the Sons of God taken place and have we missed it? (Rom 8)
Have we come into the fulness of Christ ;the full stature of Christ ?(Eph 4)
Have we we recieved our inheritance spoken of in Gal 4or are we still under governors and tutors.
Do we still only know in part or do we know fully as we are fully known?(1st Cor 13)
Mat 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; Thekingdomofheavenislike untoleaven,whichawomantook,andhidinthreemeasuresofmeal,tillthewholewasleavened. (Has this happened yet?)
Now concerning the Kingdom:
I will post verses to ponder like Mary did when the Angel spoke to her.
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1Co 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1Co 4:21 What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, ThekingdomofGodcomethnotwithobservation:

Luk 17:21Neithershalltheysay,Lohere!or,lothere!for,behold,thekingdomofGodiswithinyou.

Luk 16:16ThelawandtheprophetswereuntilJohn:sincethat timethekingdomofGodispreached,andevery manpressethintoit.

Luk 12:32Fearnot,littleflock;foritis your Father's good pleasuretogiveyouthekingdom.

Mat 6:33ButseekyefirstthekingdomofGod,andhisrighteousness;andallthese thingsshallbeaddeduntoyou.
Mat 7:21Notevery onethat saithuntome,Lord,Lord,shallenterintothekingdomofheaven;buthe that doeththewillofmyFatherwhichisinheaven.
How do we know the Kingdom has come unto us?

Mat 12:28ButifIcast outdevilsbytheSpiritofGod,thenthekingdomofGodiscomeuntoyou.

Luk 11:20ButifIwiththefingerofGodcast outdevils,no doubtthekingdomofGodiscomeuponyou.

Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Letthedeadburytheirdead:butgothouandpreachthekingdomofGod. (Who are the dead that Jesus is referring too? Does that mean that their words are dead too?)
Luk 10:9Andhealthesickthataretherein,andsayuntothem,ThekingdomofGodiscome nighuntoyou. (Did the Disciples have this kingdom powerin them too?)

Luk 22:29And Iappointuntoyouakingdom,asmyFatherhathappointeduntome;

Luk 18:29 And he said unto them, VerilyIsayuntoyou,Thereisno manthathathlefthouse,orparents,orbrethren,orwife,orchildren,for the kingdom of God's sake,

Luk 18:30Whoshallnotreceivemanifold moreinthispresent time,andintheworldtocomelifeeverlasting.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (Maybe a time of a great outpouring?)

Mat 16:19AndIwillgiveuntotheethekeysofthekingdomofheaven:andwhatsoeverthoushaltbindonearthshallbeboundinheaven:andwhatsoeverthoushaltlooseonearthshallbeloosedinheaven. (Is this not power to change our earth?)
Mat 16:28VerilyIsayuntoyou,Therebesomestandinghere,whichshallnottasteofdeath,tilltheyseetheSonofmancominginhiskingdom. (Is it possible the Lord was talking about Stephen?) Clue: did Stephen cry out in pain?
Or was he beholding the Kingdom and did not taste death
but fell asleep.
Do we need to suffer and go through tribulation to enter the Kingdom? And be Humble?

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Act 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

2Th 1:5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Jam 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Notice how they mention the fruits accompanying them)
Mat 18:4Whosoeverthereforeshallhumblehimselfasthislittle child,the sameisgreatestinthekingdomofheaven.

Mat 5:19Whosoeverthereforeshallbreakoneoftheseleastcommandments,andshallteachmenso,heshallbecalledtheleastinthekingdomofheaven:butwhosoevershalldoandteachthem,the sameshallbecalledgreatinthekingdomofheaven.

Mat 5:20ForIsayuntoyou,ThatexceptyourrighteousnessshallexceedtherighteousnessofthescribesandPharisees,yeshallin no caseenterintothekingdomofheaven.

Mat 5:10Blessedarethey which are persecutedfor righteousness' sake:fortheirsisthekingdomofheaven.

Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Sufferlittle children,andforbidthemnot,tocomeuntome:forofsuchisthekingdomofheaven.

Mat 23:13Butwoeuntoyou,scribesandPharisees,hypocrites!foryeshut upthekingdomofheavenagainstmen:foryeneithergo inyourselves,neithersufferyethem that are enteringtogo in.

Mat 21:31Whetherofthemtwaindidthewillofhisfather? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, VerilyIsayuntoyou,Thatthepublicansandtheharlotsgo into the kingdom of God beforeyou.

Mat 21:43ThereforesayIuntoyou,ThekingdomofGodshallbetakenfromyou,andgiventoanationbringing forththefruitsthereof. (Did these pronounce there own fate when they answered Jesus?)
What was Joseph of Arimarithea waiting for? And what were others expecting?
Luk 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

Luk 23:51 (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them hewas of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.

Luk 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, VerilyIsayuntothee,Todayshaltthoubewithmeinparadise.

Mat 13:41TheSonofmanshallsend forthhisangels,andtheyshallgatherout ofhiskingdomall thingsthatoffend,andthem which doiniquity;

Mat 13:42Andshallcastthemintoafurnaceoffire:thereshallbewailingandgnashingofteeth.

Mat 13:43Thenshalltherighteousshine forthasthesuninthekingdomoftheirFather.Who hathearstohear,lethimhear.
Mat 24:14Andthisgospelofthekingdomshallbepreachedinalltheworldforawitnessuntoallnations;andthenshalltheendcome.
1Co 4:20 For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. (Have we truly arrived yet?)

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. (There are 316 verses on the Kingdom I have not even scratched the surface and need your help)
Hoping we all may profit and expand on his Kingdom.
Thank you
Rmartel





Posted by: Christian Commando

Rmartel-

Thank you. The Scriptures are exactly what I was looking for. Scriptures prove once again, we cannot limit God to one aspect or another. He is all knowing, everywhere at once and all powerful. I was praying someone would catch on to this. As Pastor noted, someone think its spiritual, some think its not to come till later, and the kingdom will take over today as well as later on. It all depends upon the level at which the Body operates in thier relationship individually with God.

In all Truth, the Kingdom is here now, it operates on this earth at all levels thru us right now and Scriptures are in God's Word to show these aspects. I'm sorry some got offended, but what I was praying for was Scritural responces to show God is not limited, but does operate His Kingdom at all levels in so many ways as clearly noted in Rmartel's responce.

Helping others to learn in a setting like this can easily be done if all would work together instead of some getting offended or considering discussions arguements. You all know me well enough to know I always speak about using all related Scriptures in context to a Concept of God. I was praying someone would share other clear cut Scriptures to show the diverse aspects of God's Kingdom and how it pertains to us on earth here.

I also pray we have all learned something from this about being different members of the same Body, yet working together for Glorifying God, not edifying ourselves.

Again, thank you Rmartel very good indeed.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

The King is everywhere. He is in us, he is upon us and He is still yet to come! This is the the main point of this post.

The Spirit of Christ dwells in us. This is His Holy Spirit, as Jesus said, "one like us", to come later. This is not doctrine, but rather just what Jesus said on earth. We have God's presence within us, if we are saved. Then the Spirit can be "upon" (Luke 4:18)us which is the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit, not the same as His forever presence that never leaves us or forsakes us and is within us. The King is yet to come in the millenium reign of Christ, that I agree with you on.

Jesus is in heaven, He is in us and He is still yet to come again!
-- Amen!

oh, and so is His Kingdom!

cc, thanks for your input. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with what you said. It makes no difference to me. Share what the Lord puts on your heart and then we all learn from it. I am not trying to refute what you said, a