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Falling down is it in the Bible

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Posted by: JG

What does the Bible say about:
Falling down in the presence of God
By Jerry Gaffney


So many things have been said in this thread about falling down I thought I would enter here. It has been brought up that the only place where someone fell down was when satan was cast out. I hope you will see even though the person or persons who said that did not really mean it. Because of the number of times saints were touched by the Holy Spirit and they ended up on the ground. Over 20 times in the Bible saints were touched that way. Only twice satan and only when he was touched by God. Now about people getting hurt. Yes people fall in the flesh. Yes when it is the flesh they can get hurt. That is why we have catchers, not for God but for those who may be in the flesh. The Lord has humbled me to see over 250,000 people be touched by God and no one was hurt.

Falling down is o­ne of the most talked about subjects today.  It is not necessary to have any physical manifestation when the Lord touches you.  And we must never look to the physical but to the Lord.  Never the less when something happens we can find comfort if it did happen in the bible.  So I present these verses o­nly as something that gives me comfort.  What they do for others is up to the Lord.  I personally have seen every o­ne of these things happen in the meetings. We find the people of God falling down in His presence almost every time in the bible and even today.  In times of worship, in times of sacrifice, in times of petition, in times of glory, in times of healing, in times of Godly encounter people were over come with humility and worship or reverence and fell out under the power of God.  Sometimes the fell o­n their face, sometimes they fell like they fainted, sometimes they fell like they were dead, sometimes they fell o­n their back, sometimes they fell into a trance, sometimes they fell down as if they were asleep.   I do not think the Lord even cares because it is our flesh not our spirit.  You do not have to fall.  No where in the bible does it say you have to.  But the bible does give many places where it happened.  So it must be important or the Holy Spirit would not have said any thing about it.  Now what difference does it make. I just find it interesting that so many condemn something that the bible does not condemn.

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Coming face to face with our Lord

Revelation .....;  :15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.  :16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength.  :17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:  :18 I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

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    I.  Old Testament

1.  Abraham fell asleep

Genesis 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me

an heifer of three years old,      and a she goat of three years old, and   a ram of three years old, and    a turtledove, and   a young pigeon.   15:10   And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece o­ne against another: but the birds divided he not.  15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.  15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell (5307?naphal= to slay, to fall to throw down) upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.  15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land [that is] not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

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naphal, naw-fal'; H5307a prim. root; to fall,to be cast (down), die, fail, to throw down, to slay>>

Ø II Samuel 20:15 And they came and besieged him in Abel of Beth-maachah, and they cast up a bank against the city, and it stood in the trench: and all the people that [were] with Joab battered the wall, to throw it down.>>

Ø Psalms 73:18 Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.

Ø Psalms 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee. >>

Ø Lamentations 2:21 The young and the old lie o­n the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain [them] in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, [and] not pitied. >>

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2.  Moses fell o­n his face

Exodus 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.  ....  :8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.  4116mahar, maw-har'; a prim. root, to be liquid or flow easily, to hurry. promptly:-be carried headlong, fearful, (cause to make,) haste (-n, -ily), (be) hasty, make speed,  suddenly, swift.>>

            Bowed=H6915qadad, kaw-dad'; a prim. root; to shrivel up, i.e. contract or bend the body >>

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3.  Balaam fell to the ground

a.    Numbers 22:31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat o­n his face.>>

            4116mahar, maw-har'; a prim. root, to be liquid or flow easily, to hurry. promptly:-be carried>>

 headlong, fearful, (cause to make,)  haste (-n, -ily), (be) hasty, quickly, rash, shortly, soon, make speed, speedily, straightway, suddenly, swift.>>

            H6915qadad, kaw-dad'; a prim. root; to shrivel up, i.e. contract or bend the body>>

a.    Numbers 24:2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding [in his tents] according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him.  24:3 And he took up his parable, and said, Balaam the son of Beor hath said, and the man whose eyes are open hath said: 24:4 He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling [into a trance], but having his eyes open: 24:5 How goodly are thy tents, O Jacob, [and] thy tabernacles, O Israel!  24:6 As the valleys are they spread forth, as gardens by the river's side, as the trees of lign aloes which the LORD hath planted, [and] as cedar trees beside the waters. 

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4.  Samsons father and mother fell o­n their face.

Judges 13:20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked o­n [it], and fell o­n their faces to the ground.>>

            naphal, naw-fal'; H5307; to fall, to be cast (down), die, fail, (cause to,) throw                down, slay

5.  Sauls army falls under the power

I Samuel 19:18  So David fled, and escaped, and came to Samuel to Ramah, and told him all that Saul had done to him. And he and Samuel went and dwelt in Naioth. 19:19 And it was told Saul, saying, Behold, David [is] at Naioth in Ramah. 19:20 And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing [as] appointed over them, the spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied. 19:21 And when it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they prophesied likewise. And Saul sent messengers again the third time, and they prophesied also. 19:22 Then went he also to Ramah, and came to a great well that [is] in Sechu: and he asked and said, Where [are] Samuel and David? And [one] said, Behold, [they be] at Naioth in Ramah. 19:23 And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the spirit of God was upon him also, and he went o­n, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. 19:24 And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel >>

in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, [Is] Saul also among the prophets?

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6.  All the priests fell o­n their faces in the presence of the Lord

I Kings 8:10 And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy [place], that the cloud filled the house of the LORD,  8:11 So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.   (they could not move)

            H3201yakol, yaw-kole'; a prim. root; not to be able, (can, could) not :-beable,                      any at all (ways), overcome, or have the power have power to , prevail.

            5975`amad, aw-mad'; a prim. root; to stand, arise, raise up, (be at a) stay (up),                      tarry.

7.  Isaiah fell o­n his face

Isaiah 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.....:5  Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

            1820damah, daw-maw'; a prim. root; to be dumb or silent; hence  to fail or                        perish; to be cut down , be undone,  utterly.

8.  Daniel fell o­n his face.

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision.  :17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.

            naphal, naw-fal'; H5307; to fall, to be cast (down), die, fail, (cause to,) throw                down, slay

9.  Ezekiel fell o­n his face   and many more

Ezekiel 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so [was] the appearance of the brightness round about. This [was] the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw [it], I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of o­ne that spake. Ezekiel 2:1 And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee. 2:2 And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.  >>

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II  New Testament

Greek word  pipto, pip'-to; G4098  to fall (lit. or fig.):-fail, fall (down), light o­n.>>

1.       Mount of transfiguration

Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.  17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.  ........17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.  17:6 And when the disciples heard [it], they fell (pipto,)  on their face, and were sore afraid. 

Greek word  pipto, pip'-to; G4098  to fall (lit. or fig.):-fail, fall (down), light o­n.

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2.     The Mob who came to arrest Jesus.  Every o­ne fell here.

John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.  18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.  18:3 Judas then, having received a band [of men] and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.  18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?  18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am [he]. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.  18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell (pipto,) to the ground.>>

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3.     The soldiers and the resurrection.  Some have said Jesus never made anyone fall down.  This may have been out of reverence and fear.

Matthew.28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.  28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead [men].

            4579 seio, si'-o; a prim. verb; to rock (vibrate, sideways to and fro), to agitate (in                  any>>

direction; cause to tremble); fig. to move, quake, shake.>>

IS THIS IS WHERE WE GOT THE QUAKERS AND THE SHAKERS

            3498nekros, nek-ros';  (a corpse); dead (lit. or fig.; also as noun):-dead.>>

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4.       Pauls conversion     another sinner falling down

Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter >>

against the disciples of the Lord,  G5408 phonos, fon'-os;  (to slay); murder:, slaughter.>>

went unto the high priest, 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.  9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?  9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.  9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord [said] unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.  9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

            pipto, pip'-to; G4098  to fall (lit. or fig.):-fail, fall (down), light o­n.>>

            5141 tremo, trem'-o; to "tremble" or fear:-be afraid, trembling.>>

            G2284thambeo, tham-beh'-o; to stupefy (with surprise), astound:  amaze,                astonish.>>

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5.     Again Pauls vision        They all fell,  so many say no o­ne fell out in the presence of Jesus.  What about Paul and all the men with him.  This was an act of reverence and humility

Acts 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.  26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? G2667katapipto, kat-ap-ip'-to; from 2596 and 4098; to fall down:-fall (down).>>

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6.     Woman with the issue of blood

a.    LUK 8:47   And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down prospipto, before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed       immediately.

b.    MAR 5:33   But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down prospipto, before him, and told him all the truth.

            4363 prospipto, pros-pip'-to;; to fall towards, (gently) prostrate o­neself ( in                  supplication or homage), or (violently) to rush upon, fall (down) at (before).

            5141 tremo, trem'-o; to "tremble" or fear:-be afraid, trembling.

7.     Sinners falling down in every service

I Corinthians 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in o­ne that believeth not, or [one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:  14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down o­n [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

            G4098 pipto, pip'-to;   to fall (lit. or fig.):-fail, fall (down), light o­n.

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            G4352proskuneo, (mean. to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand); to crouch                  to, prostrate o­neself in homage (do reverence to, adore):  worship.

a.    Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, (Pipto) and worshipped (proskuneo) him: >>

b.    Matthew 28:9  And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.  Matthew 28:9  And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.>>

            2902krateo, krat-eh'-o; to use strength, seize: hold fast, keep, lay hand o­n,                  retain,

8.      When they saw Jesus they fell down,  They grabbed His feet started to cry and worshiped Him. Matthew 28:9  And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.



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9.      Pray for the word of the Lord to be in our mouth.>>

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.  :13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things [are] naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.  God will be Glorified when we speak the word like a sword.>>

Isaiah 49:1 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name.  :2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;  :3 And said unto me, Thou [art] my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.>>

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 >>10. Here are some more verses to look at>>>>>>>>>>


This is the word the Holy Spirit used in the Bible to show someone falling in the presence of  the Lord.  As we look at the word PIPTO  it is used 86 times in the bible. When not used about the lord we see the people or the object falling.  >>


Examples, >>

seeds falling to ground, blind falling into a ditch, food falling off table, satan falling from the sky, etc.  So we see this was not normally a voluntary act. The o­nly time it is used for satan is when he fell from heaven>>

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G4098pipto, pip'-to; -fail, fall (down) as faint or into a ditch etc, light o­n.

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MAT 13:4   {And when he sowed, some [seeds] <fell> by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:}

MAT 15:14  {Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall <fall> into the ditch.}

MAT 15:27  And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which <fall> from their masters' table.

MAT 17:15  Lord, have mercy o­n my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he <falleth> into the fire, and oft into the water.

LUK 10:18  And he said unto them, {I beheld Satan as lightning <fall> from heaven.}

ACS 5:5    And Ananias hearing these words <fell> <down>, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came o­n all them that heard these things.

ACS 20:9   And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and <fell> down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

JAM 5:12   But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and [your] nay, nay; lest ye <fall> into condemnation.

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Now lets look at how it was used by the Holy Spirit when it came to the Lord.>>

Many times when people got close to Jesus they fell down,>>

This was not necessarily a voluntary kneeling down, but it gives the impression that sometimes they were over come by the same glory that touched the people in the Old Testament>>

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11. The Three Wise me did not kneel down.  They fell down in all that glory.

MAT 2:11   And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and <fell> <down>, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

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12. Even Jesus fell under the power of the Father at the garden.  He said he was sore amazed even to the point of death

MAT 26:39  And he went a little farther, and <fell> o­n his face, and prayed, saying, {O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].}

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13. Jairus fell at his feet.------- This is for a healing

MAR 5:22   And, behold, there cometh o­ne of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he <fell> at his feet,

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14. Leper fell down---- This is for a healing

LUK 5:12    And it came to pass, when he was in a certain city, behold a man full of leprosy: who seeing Jesus <fell> o­n [his] face, and besought him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

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15. Mary fell down------ This is for a healing of her brother

JOH 11:32  Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she <fell> <down> (again an act of reverence and humility) at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

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16. Cornelius fell down.  ------  This is for salvation.... How humble are you.

ACS 10:25  And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and <fell> <down> (pipto) at his feet, and worshipped [him].

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17. By faith the walls of Jericho fell down under the power of God

HEB 11:30  By faith the walls of Jericho <fell> <down>, after they were compassed about seven days.

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19. John the apostle fell down---  What happens in heaven as soon as John saw Jesus.  He fell down humbly before the Lord.  I think it will be no different for us.  Now some say they never saw anyone fall down without getting a daemon.  I do not think this was happening here.

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REV 1:17   And when I saw him, I <fell> (pipto)  at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, {Fear not; I am the first and the last:}

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20. The 24 elders or leaders fall down all the time.  HMMMMMM we are suppose to learn for our leaders

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REV 4:10   The four and twenty elders <fall> <down> before him that sat o­n the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

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21. Even the angels fall down in the presence of Jesus

REV 5:8    And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders <fell> <down> before the Lamb, having every o­ne of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

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22. When Jesus showed up in Glory, John fell down and worshiped the wrong man

REV 22:8   And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I <fell> <down> to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

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Posted by: JG

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Originally Posted by thryllz
Hello everyone... its me again so one must look to the rest of the text to find exactlly what is meant...In your 6th reference, if you take only verse 11, it would seem like you are standing behind an impenetrable bastion.... but your bastion proves hollow at two points... the first can be found in verse 12. The meaning and reason behind the phrase "could not stand to minister" is not made clear until you read verse 12. Firstly, lets look at the key element of verse 11, the means of the manifestation of the glory of God. He manifested His glory in the form of a cloud . Solomon goes on to say that the Lord would dwell in "...the thick darkness"

Even Moses could not stand in all that Glory.

( ‛ărâphel ar-aw-fel' gloom (as of a lowering sky): - (gross, thick) dark (cloud, -ness).

now Solomon said this AFTER the cloud had come into manifestation. Now lets use some God-given sense.....


Oh my friend your are right we must take the whole council of God.
Using your very example you do not seem to understand the Jewish side of this. There was so much more to that "thick darkness" than most understand. We cannot just look as a fireman or the look with the flesh.

We must see what our precious Holy Spirit was trying to say.
He was not saying the priest got carried away with incense and filled the room with to much smoke. He was giving a example of the Glory of the Lord, which no man can fake.

Lets look at what the word has to say.

EXO 19:17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. 19:18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

EXO 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not. 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was]. Your example fails because we see Moses walking into that thick cloud. Not grouping around in the dark. He could stand because God was there. 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

EXO 24:15 And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.


EXO 24:17 And the sight of the glory of the LORD [was] like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel.

Did you know Jesus is a flame of fire and we are called flames of fire.
Did you know that the reverence was so great even Moses trembled and shook for six days. Even Moses had great fear in approaching God.

HEB 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [voice] they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, [that] Moses said, I exceedingly fear (frightened out of your mind) and quake: (terrified))

1630►ekphobos, ek'-fob-os; from 1537 and 5401; frightened out of one's wits:- sore afraid, exceedingly fear.

1790►entromos, en'-trom-os; from 1722 and 5156; terrified:-X quake, X trembled.

EXO 33:18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
EXO 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
EXO 34:8 And Moses made haste (became like liquid, almost faint) , and bowed (to shrivel up or quickly bend to the ground) his head toward the earth, and worshipped (fall down flat in homage to God).

4116►mahar, maw-har'; a prim. root, to be liquid or flow easily, i.e.
(by impl.); to hurry. promptly:-be carried headlong, fearful, (cause to make haste.

6915►qadad, kaw-dad'; a prim. root; to shrivel up, i.e. contract or bend the body (or neck) in deference:-bow (down) (the) head, stoop.

7812►shachah, shaw-khaw'; a prim. root; to depress, i.e. prostrate (espec. reflex. in homage to royalty or God):-bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.

Now my friend I know you can pick apart each verse I used.
I know also until you have seen the glory you will never understand.
Just like Nicodemus, he could not understand how he could be born again until Jesus died.

There is a great reverence with the Holy Spirit and the Glory of the Lord. The few who have been humbled to be in it are never the same. I pray that most precious Holy Spirit will open your eyes one day to see.


Posted by: Frederik

But there are people saying that in the bible the people always fell on their faces and in our times people tend to fall on the back.... This is what leads people to say that this in not from God but from Satan.


Posted by: JG

This is one of those times that amaze's me.

Please read all the bible verses above before saying what other people say.

The people who say such things I am sure are wonderful people but they are not speaking from the word.

I have provided the definitions of the words for falling down.

They fainted,
They became like liquid
they were cast down
they fell into a sleep
they fell like they were dead
they made haste to fall
they fell on their face
they fell on their back

What difference does it make if they were touched by God?

So please do not judge them.
No one is judging your experience with God
So why judge them?
I see so many people like this and I wonder if it is just as emotional as the others.



Posted by: Frederik

I do not judge them I just asked this question cause many people think this way.
How can I judge their experiences?


Posted by: JG

Again please read the bible verses before you answer.
Faith come by hearing the word of God not the feelings of people

The only truth is what the bible says not what people think.


Posted by: Frederik

I cannot find a verse where it says they fell on their back.Some say they fell down but it never says the fell on their back, I searched the whole page for the word "back" and no verse contains it.


Posted by: Frederik

Are you speechless or what?


Posted by: JG

No Frederik

If you had read the verses above you would know the answer.
Please read the verses above point number 2 in the new testament.


Posted by: Frederik

You mean this?

1. Mount of transfiguration

Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. ........17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 17:6 And when the disciples heard [it], they fell (pipto,) on their face, and were sore afraid.

Greek word pipto, pip'-to; G4098 to fall (lit. or fig.):-fail, fall (down), light o**n.


They fell on their face, this implies they did not fall on their back cause I don't think you can fall on your face and your back at the same time...


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederik
You mean this?

1. Mount of transfiguration

Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. ........17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 17:6 And when the disciples heard [it], they fell (pipto,) on their face, and were sore afraid.

Greek word pipto, pip'-to; G4098 to fall (lit. or fig.):-fail, fall (down), light o**n.


They fell on their face, this implies they did not fall on their back cause I don't think you can fall on your face and your back at the same time...


Frederik:
Please when I ask you to read something please do so first. I have so little time in a day and when you do not do the homework it is a waste.

Other verses for Pipto clearly show it is an act of falling. It is not directional and never was. Some will fall forward and some will fall backward some will faint some will fall like they are dead.
MAT 15:14 {Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.}
MAT 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

All the people the apolstes and the soldiers fell backward on their backs when Jesus said "I AM" It was like saying the name of God.

I asked your to read point number 2 above and you quote from point number one

Here is point two above and you will see they all and I mean all fell backward.

2. The Mob who came to arrest Jesus. Every o**ne fell here.

John 18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. 18:2 And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples. 18:3 Judas then, having received a band [of men] and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am [he]. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am [he], they went backward, and fell (pipto,) to the ground.>>


Posted by: Frederik

Okay, I guess you're right.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Holy Spirit release your glory cloud into all who read this, grab them now Jesus and take them to the very center of your glory cloud..


Posted by: Frederik

What do you say about this, Jerry?

Isaiah 28

13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

This does not sound too good if you ask me....


Posted by: JeriRose12

Worse than calling it emotions, people are calling it mesmerizaition (kind of like hypnotism), or divination! Someone claims you can get demonized by being "slain in the Spirit."

The one who calls it divination, says that whenever she goes in a meeting where this stuff goes on, she prays that the Lord won't allow it to happen to her, and it doesn't. Can anyone explain this? I can only think it's her unbelief....as she claims some prayed that a certain preacher couldn't do any miralces that night and he came out and said something was prohibiing him from doing miracles. Can anyone explain this? Is it due a spirit of unbelief, as Jesus went into the one city and could not do many miracles there because of their unbelief? Yet, what about all those in the meeting who did believe (for the miracles)? She is saying they can pray this stuff doesn't happen and keep it from happening, because it's of the devil.

In my own life, I will often pray, "Lord, if this isn't of you, let it stop," or "Don' let anything happen to me that isn't of You." Well, I still get the varioius manifestations of he Spirit moving upon me. And the second prayer is pretty much the same prayer she says she prays. She says it keeps this stuff from happening to her. But I pray same thing, even pleading the blood over myself against anything demonic, and I still experience it (like physcial manifestations on my body).

Does anyone have any idea what this is about and how to explain it? I really, really, really don't understand how we can pray to the same God same prayer to opposite results.

Or is she really being used of the devil to "pray" against the move of the Holy Spirit? By the profession of her mouth she is born again by grace through faith in Jesus finished work on he cross. This is he first time I've run into such assertations of being able to shut down moves of God on self and on the minister (?).

JeriRose


Posted by: JeriRose12

P.S. She argues against the scriptures here, because these people, all except in the garden at Jesus arrest, fell on their faces (not backwards). And she says the falling backwards in the garden was in judgement. It sounds like they fell back when realizing or overcome by His power to me. Not sure why she says it was making them fall as in judging them...as she says most falling in Bible is related to judgement.

JeriRose


Posted by: Christian Commando

Hey Sis-

As to your last post on page one, no, people cannot be demonized when slain in the spirit of God. Satan imitates this thru meditative, hypnotic and other methods. If someone will not allow themselves to let this happen when the Holy Spirit tries to come over them as such, its not necessarily unbelief, but more a decision not to allow outside control to be given over our body or mind.

As to the second point about the Preacher, because of the resistance of a group or the general crowd praying against miracles shown thru the Preacher, this would be, in ignorance, praying to the devil to keep God's evidence fom being produced.

Both cases come from the example of doing something out of ignorance. There are plenty of Christian religions, that may belong to God, yet do not believe in a wide variety of miracles, Gifts, etc God clearly declares will be evident thru His Children. There are those as well, who are taught to believe in such things, but are no longer evident, as was only mean't for the old Early Church Apostlic age.

And God's Word shows as well, there were settlements Jesus had entered and Ministered in, but did very few if any miracles because of unbelief. But, it does not say what kind, except for Capernaum, Sodom and Gomorah, and a couple others who out right totally refused belief in God.

Thus, discernment is whats needed to understand where this unbelief stems from, an outright refusal, or ignorance. But, either way, such things can prohibit God's Holy Spirit from demonstrating said miracles or Gifts, because of Satanic or demonic resistance.

As for Isa. 28:13, yes this is a case of jugement, because the people aren't listening to God's leading and following Him- vs. 14-17. But, the fallinf down backwards is not this judgement- 11-13 God shows He is warning the people to heed His Word, that they may be humbled.

"Word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here alittle, there alittle; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Notice it says- "that they might go and fall backward, and be broken, and snared and taken."

This refers to broken- humbling, snared- brought back to thier senses, and taken- prodigal child returned.

But, if look at beginning of Chapter 28, this is all in reference to the Trib. Period, as God constantly speaks of the wrath being applied and verse 1 "pride" is that of Satan as well driving these people and with Christ's return- v 5-6.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

That's what I'm thinking...demonic! Yet, she claimes to be a Christian same as us. She rejects everything she calls "third wave," and says if she goes in any of these meeings she prays she won't be slain in the Spirit. And then, she isn't. Etc. It's just weird.

And when we yell "More! More! More!" when someone's getting an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, she says we're yelling at the Holy Spirit.

JeriRose


Posted by: Christian Commando

hehe, ya, well, theres been a new crop of "new age" beliefs coming about, claiming they are "old age" Christianity and against what is seen in the nwer age of Christian churches because of "movements" like Charismatic for one in particular.

They either basically believe miracles and "Gifts" seen in the Apostlic time ended with them, or its the Devil doing it because of the "Charismatic" part, etc, etc. If Satan can influence them enough to believe such things, they can be convinced to pray against them, which then is seeking Satan inadvertantly to stop this, out of thier ignorance of not understanding the Truth.

Truth is, "movements" like Charismatic, Word of Faith and other ones are of God. Where it gets a bad name from, is Satan filtering in and misleading a select few to seek personal gain.

But like "Word of Faith" is based on, "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." They believe, ok, if we can be saved and know this for sure by hearing, believing and having faith, so too can we recieve God's Promises if hear them, believe and have faith they are true.

As Jesus said- "have faith in God, that whosoever shall say unto this mountain, be thou removed and be thou cast into the sea, and shall not doubt in thier heart, but shall believe that those things which he sayeth shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he sayeth."

This Scripture tells us, what the "Word of Faith" movement is based on. What needs to be remembered is, it is God who is acting within those peramiters, so long as it is done in context to God. When done for reasons or in ways out of context to God, its Satan imitating God, in order to convince people this or that is acceptable too, even if God clearly shows its not.

Well, she could be Christian, for God declares Satan will do things to try and decieve even the very "elect". 3 out 5 people I know following the Bahai Cult religion are True Christians, but they are decieved thru Cult doctrine its acceptable to God. So that can happen.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

I know that some new age stuff is creeping in...some are doing yoga (or this is from Hinduism) in their churches. But to pray that miracles don't happen is a totally different category! Jesus said these signs would follow those who believe. Paul said his preaching was not with clever words but with a demonstration of power. The disciples walked down the streets, and their SHADOWS fell on people, and they were healed! Also, doesn't it say they preached with signs confirming? So, this woman should not be praying moves of God are shut down! She should be asking God to move mightily, and, in that context, pray nothing of the devil is allowed to happen. I know the devil does imitate. But too many throw out anything along the lines of supernatural as being of the devil. If the devil is doing it, you can bet it's a couterfiet of somethingn real. All the devil CAN do is counterfiet. So why would I not seek God for real moves from Him, rather than wanting the devil to get all the glory as the one who does supernatural things? So many say the devil has power by these kind of statements, while saying God doesn't do these things anymore, which makes the devil seem to be the more powerful one. This is so frustrating to me! Some of these folks will say God does miracles, but they can't seem to give me any valid examples that they believe are from God. I don't know why they can't remember that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.

I have come across where they will say that in thus and such a false religion they do this....say a certain sound they make with their vocals....so if a Christian is doing anything similar, like whooping for God, they are obviously of the devil, because they are doing something that devil worshippers do. Some will say laughing in the Spirit is demonic or emotional, because there is a certain new age technique or psychology method that produces laughing. I know "laughing in the Spirit" is not perse in the Bible....but "they're not drunk as you suppose; they're just filled with the Holy Ghost" is. And, so are scriptures about us being joyful in the Lord, and it says the fruit of the Spirit is joy. Don't joy and laughter go together? But people use examples of how these same things go on in devil worship or in new age or occult (all the same thing, really) as proving these things are not of God and those who do such things are doing them by Satan's power. This is SO frustrating! Why do they use devil stuff to prove their point, rather than the Bible? They can't find a scripture condemning such things, so they try to say that because it's a practice from yoga or whatever (I believe the tingles in the feet are something yoga people feel) that means it's wrong. But if I am in a Christian meeting, worshipping God, praying to God, etc., how is He then going to let the devil influence me to feel tingles? I suppose that some witch or something could infiltrate....but I am under the blood of Christ! I am not going to believe that I have to walk around in fear that something bad can get on me in a Christ centered meeting. I know they say that the person heading up the meeting is bringing devil stuff on me....so that because I willingly went there I invited it. I don't know why this person would be preaching Jesus so strong and able to get devil manifestations on me....

Sure, there are fakes. I dealt with one, who pretended to hear from God and did cause some demonic influence and deception. But God opened my eyes, and I moved on. And I still feel the tingles, experience various manifestations. And so on.

There is one who says the falling in the Spirit is done by mesmerization. And that that mesmerization can also cause the shaking some experience. To me the shaking would seem quite reasonable. If the mountain trembled when God rested on it, how much more a person? This guy says mesmerization, because when they look you in the eye, they do something to you or it's the power of suggestion. Well, the two times I fell under the power, NO-ONE looked me in the eye. My eyes were closed, as I recall. I could feel the power flowing as through their hands. Or, in the one case, he barely touched me, and I was down. I have also heard some nonsense (I have certainly never seen this!!!) that the guys who lay hands on people who fall out then laugh with delvish glee as if they are knowingly putting something evil on people and gloating about it.

The lengths people will go to to discredit moves of God is astounding! Why do those who claim to love God and believe in the Holy Spirit say that these things are not of God? Anything that is not expressly described in scripture they say is demonic. But what about the "signs and wonders" that are going to come in these last days? They won't even consider that any of these things could fall under this category?

I know there are lying signs and wonders. And I know I saw those with the situation I mentioned above. But we need to realize that if there's a fake, there's a real. And we always need to be praying that God shows us what is really of Him and what isn't. It's like the guy in the Bible said. Leave them alone and let them preach Christ. If this is real, we can't stop it. If it's not, it will die out. Same with miracles. Don't get so worried about them. If they aren't real, God will make sure his own know. He is not going to let true believers continue in deception.

Those like this woman make themselves out to be the only ones with truth, while attributing the truth of God's miracles to the devil. I certainly don't want to be in that camp. Would rather be deceived a while and have God show me where I'm off rather then miss out on true moves of God. I went through deception in the one siuation, because I believe in God given visions...and was getting some demonic visions I later figured out. But the devil after deceiving us, would love for us to throw out miracles of God because he fooled us for a while. Through perseverance in prayer, I was shown the truth in that situation. I was fighting demons, just thinking the wrong people had them and the demonically influenced person was of God. But should we face such things, God will bring us to the truth if we are earsnestly seeking Him for it.

I tend to think, because of what I went through with this person, that the woman who prayed for miracles to stop, is doing similar. Trying to shut down valid moves of God. I guess I don't get how they can be so sure they are speaking for God, even as they attack moves of God. How did they end up in this position? When pointed out to me, I saw the light. When pointed out to them, they just keep on saying it's of the devil.

JeriRose


Posted by: eagle4him

When the glory of God is revealed many do not understand it. If they argue against "falling down", wait until they see someone getting hit with a fireball from heaven!

Though we do not live in the "Apostolic Age" God's word says in Isaiah 30:26 that the light will be seven times greater in the end than before. This speaks of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit according to Joel 2:28, and the greatest move of the Holy Spirit even greater than anything the Apostles experienced.

God also promises that the latter rain will be greater than the former.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, exactly. If recall, Jesus had spoken to some who questioned Him, the signs that followed as He Ministered were confirmation, and later told the Disciples this would be for them as well.

Well, just like the original Hebrew words used in some places of God's Word being replaced in later centuries refering to particular supernatural events, after the dark ages were over and Christianity reformed, there was very little supernatural things accepted because of that animosity, thus belief in such things slowly became less acceptable. That happened around 1,000 AD or a bit later

Well, its not so much they don't believe Jesus is never changing, but that we are not living in the Apostlic Age anymore, so those days of great movements of God are long over with.

As for "laughing under the power of the Holy Spirit", it actually is clearly seen. We have those people King Saul sent to kill David, who were changed into joyous laughing, singing and Praising God, Prophecying too I think. Then David himself, who under the Spirit, laughed, danced and sang uncontrollably, which irritated his wife hehe.So, its there.

But, when it comes to say, acting like an animal under the Spirit, thats a Satanic thing. Yes, it was the Holy Spirit who caused King Nebecanezzer to be that way, but because of a curse God put on the King, not as a positive Blessing or sign of God.

Yes, Satan imitates God, but there are always differences between them that are evident to show who is producing such things.

Well, I always attributed the "tingling in the feet" for Yoga practioners, come from the blood circulation being hampered to the feet by those weird positions they put thier legs in for that hehe. (Feet are going to sleep).

Well, Satan fell by pride. Thus, you can tell when these people are influenced to believe they are the only ones thinking right and everyone else is decieved.God declares Satan is the author of confusion. If he can keep people believing in his works being of God or so hard to tell that none of it is, Satan is happy.

If its one thing I found out about Satan over the years, worship of him can come in many forms, from believing in or following false things, to not believing any works. That way, if not believing in any at all, we aren't backing God at all either that way, which takes praise and worship from God, as much as if following falsehoods.

Man falls short of Glorifying God, whenever we decide not to believe in some aspect of His Word or take it wrong. This in essence takes praise and worship away from God and puts it towards Satan.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

I first experienced tingles in my feet at a Jerry Gaffney meeting, when we got in "Circles of fire" (I think that's what he called them) to pray. We all joined hands and were spiraled into a small center circle. And we prayed. I felt heat and tingles coming up into my feet. And I have experieced it many times since.

Later, I read something about a technique called "grounding" from kundalini (which is tied to yoga, I think, or has the same roots). And there was tingles mentioned. This article was saying as to how many Christians were accepting wrong things, in that people were buying into this as being from God.

But I had never even heard of this practice, and in a God centered, anointed meeting I had felt tingles. So, all I can say is, God has a real and the devil has a counterfiet.

Many, many times when I pray to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire I feel tingles and heat in combination. The Bible says if I ask for a good gift, He will give it....and how much more The Holy Spirit? So, I am not believing that the devil is somehow able to put this on a blood bought, Holy Spirit baptized child of God!

JeriRose


Posted by: Christian Commando

Eagle4him-

The problem is, as with some back in Jesus' day, today, we also come across some who, regardless if see the miracles of God plain as day, they still ascribe them to Satan. Remember how Jesus was accused of casting out demons and more by Belzebub-(Satan)?

As Jesus had declared, it was a profane generation who sought signs. Why? Because, the signs of God were happening all around them when Jesus was there, yet they could not discern them to recognize who they were from.

Won't matter if they see others hit with a fireball from Heaven, it will need to be them that does to convince them of the Truth.

God Bless!!