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Posted by: Rmartel

I heard this one man say that God is going to unite generation 'X" with
the baby boomers and the seniors. In otherwords remove the generation gap between the 3 groups. Ok Christian Commando ;whats your thoughts?
And others?
Rmartel


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well, my thoughtsare these-

1st- All generations of the church already have unity in God thru the doctrine of Salvation. Where there is division, is within the interpretations of the rest of God's Word.

2nd- There have been and always will be "generation gaps" between generations. there will never be any difference till christ institutes His 1,000 year reign.

3rd- Man here on earth, even God's children with the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, are too independant and stubborn to come together in unity of full doctrinal beliefs, until God comes back among us as Jesus Christ to change that.

4th- Look back at Christ's time, when He was here to set forth the New covenant between the Father God and people on earth and how the jews were so divided about Jesus. Thus, it will take Jesus setting up his Kingdom for real here on earth and His Power to realine all God's children and disolve all barriers.

5th- There will be a level to which greater unity will be seen within the "Body" as a whole, but not ever fully, until Christ returns.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

God is all about uniting the body of believers. Jesus prayed for unity. The only reason Pentecost happened was because "...they were of one accord".

God established legacy from the beginning. He called Abraham to be the Father of many nations.

He called David to be King for generations, he and his sons

He visits the iniquity to the 3rd and 4th generations. Exodus 20:5

While Moses wandered in the desert for 40 years God was raising up a generation to take hold of the promise and the promised land--Joshua and Caleb

In the latter days God will turn the hearts of the fathers back to the sons, and the hearts of the sons back to the fathers.--Malachi 4:6

Generations Against Generation:
In the book by Phil Munsey, Legacy Now is described a scene like this: There is a generational war raging right now seeking to devour the very souls of the next generation. Unless something is drastically done the devil will win. I believe that God is right now opening the eyes of men and families to unite to protect the children. Legacy is the greatest threat to the plans of the devil. Here's the four areas the devil attacks:

1. Rebellion: 1 Sam 15:23 Witchcraft is rebellion. This is the disease of the youth. Intervene right now to stop this.

2. Sexual Immorality: 1 Cor 5:1-13 Don't let Hollywood define what is and is not approprate.

3. Sorcery Rev 22:15 Another name for drugs. Don't give in to this stronghhold

4. Sloth Proverbs 19:15 Laziness develops when there is a loss of purpose

These are the four entry points for destroying a generation. Legacy will combat this through proper instruction in the word.


Posted by: Rmartel

Ok Eagle. I like the points of this Phil Munsey quite valid to me.
I have a question for you Christian Commando. We have the Brownsville and Iszuzu (Spelling?) say powerful anointings or however you would describe this. Christian Commando would you think that God can and may do this again so as as Eagle has mentioned to put them in one accord like the early church in the book of Acts. Eagle has mentioned the plans and plots of the enemy.
And Gods desire in Malachi Ch 4;to turn the hearts of the children back to the Father .
Question 2? What happened at Brownsville and Iszuzu street? Was the generations brought together. I am not that read up on this.
Christian Commando you have mentioned your ,I believe, previous church as in having things of programs for the Youth In the posting; Parents loss of Authority . This helps to bring the generations together.
Usually when you see teens in a church ;it appears the church leaders are doing something right;rather then not seeing the youth there.
Phil Munsey seems to have researched this quite a bit ;that is the plan of attack of the enemy.
What can the believer do since we know the plan of the attack of the enemy?
I believe we need to release a lot of grace in these situations,and to remain one in Christ as Jesus is one with the Father.
Rmartel


Posted by: Christian Commando

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Originally Posted by Rmartel
Ok Eagle. I like the points of this Phil Munsey quite valid to me.
I have a question for you Christian Commando. We have the Brownsville and Iszuzu (Spelling?) say powerful anointings or however you would describe this. Christian Commando would you think that God can and may do this again so as as Eagle has mentioned to put them in one accord like the early church in the book of Acts. Eagle has mentioned the plans and plots of the enemy.
And Gods desire in Malachi Ch 4;to turn the hearts of the children back to the Father .
Question 2? What happened at Brownsville and Iszuzu street? Was the generations brought together. I am not that read up on this.
Christian Commando you have mentioned your ,I believe, previous church as in having things of programs for the Youth In the posting; Parents loss of Authority . This helps to bring the generations together.
Usually when you see teens in a church ;it appears the church leaders are doing something right;rather then not seeing the youth there.
Phil Munsey seems to have researched this quite a bit ;that is the plan of attack of the enemy.
What can the believer do since we know the plan of the attack of the enemy?
I believe we need to release a lot of grace in these situations,and to remain one in Christ as Jesus is one with the Father.
Rmartel
Well, understand now, I'm not saying its impossible to God to bring the whole "Body of Christ" into full unity. but, it will take a miracle of great magnitude to do this, for the simple fact, God is not a puppeteer, thus, allows us, His children, the right to make decisions on our own, since He gave man dominion over the earth.

Being so, it is quite clear, since the 3rd century AD, when men started publicly coming out divided and it only grew, concerning interpretations of God's Word, God would have to some how return the "Body" as a whole over to singular interpretation of It.

Second- Remember as well, back in christ's day, up thru the 3rd century AD, the population of the "Body" was very, very small, compared to what it is today. There are millions, maybe a billion or more souls belonging to Christ now, compared to only thousands back then.

Yes, you don't know how much I'd love to see movements on a greater than grand scale, of the ones you mentioned happen, to do this. One thing to consider is, if look at the numbers of smaller revivals that have broken out around the world of God's Spirit, this may just be a shadow of one great movement yet to come.

But, for how stubborn man is, I'll not claim such a thing until witnessed. For God declares His Spirit would be poured out upon all flesh in the last days and people would see visions, dream dreams, etc, etc. Thats witnessed to quite a growth already. But, it is not to the extent of a full "pouring out" as yet.

People have claimed the scripture of the great "apostacy" is going right now. Yes also to that, but still not at the level described.

We can see God moving clearly arund the world at a greater level. But, we also have Christian groups involved with newer religions who claim thier groups are the true believers and the rest of the "Body" are no longer God's children.

So much deception. It will take such an incredible move by God's Holy Spirit, to bring all Believers back into singular alignment of doctrine, for the population of the "Body", that right now, theres only a slow build up if any really, thats happening.

Remember too tho, the Brownsville and Izuz Street outbreaks of the Holy Spirit were only minor concerning the world population of Believers. If we are to believe God would bring the whole Body of Believers into singular beliefs, it would be a global, not just an area coverage or two in one country type movement.

All hearts of God's children are actually turned to the Father, in order to be Believers, but, for general doctrinal beliefs, there are all kinds of Christian religions out there teaching, Preaching and prostalitizing thier beliefs and starting churches in other countries also. So, the division that way is global as well, not just country limited.

Yes, generations were brought together for the time they were prolific in popularity. Where is that unity now my friend, today?

My old Church- Yes, that is true about youth. but, after 11 years God had me there, I was finally lead to stand up before the church to tell them, if the leadership did not get thier act strait and come back inline with God, this Church would fall.

4 out of 7 of the Deacons resigned.

Two years after I'd left the area, it did. It took a year for God to convince the old youth Pastor to become Head Pastor of it and the Church was revived. But, nothing like it was before. The only original missions left, were the Association of Pastors group. thats it.

They did not have a youth Pastor, so all original youth missions were lost. No other Churches took over. And I told our old Youth Pastor to get off his duff and help these kids if not too blind to see whats happening to them. God woke him up and brought in eventuially, a young man to lead a building now bought for the use of a Christian Youth Center.

Generation against generation- The only unity the generations from mine, back to the youngest these days, are the worldly activities they have all grown up accepting, as immorality changed over the last 30-40 years. Only generations older than mine, have no participants I'm aware of in this "new age" change, as they can hardly believe things have gone this way.

Yes, Munsey is quite accurate. but, keep in mind how divided the Jews were over misinterpretations of Scriptures they were taught, of the signs pointing to Jesus the Messiah. More than half were against Him and His being condemned to the cross was proof of that when the majority cried out for it and made the decision for Pilate.

So, this legacy is only as good as the Children of God who uphold the standard God seeks for His children to hold to.

As to king David- yes, but spiritually speaking that refered to Christ, who came from David's blood line at birth to begin with and was prophecied about. so, the lagacy that way will never diminish. Its the souls of the lost and lives of the saved I'm concerned about who could profit much more, if were more concerned with God as thier main focus, rather than several times a week.

Moses- Yes, but notice all the original people God brought out of captivity, save one or two, never got to enter that promised land did they? Because of thier slackness towards God in faith and belief, even after all the miracles. So prove to me the generations now... are any different than those who died and never got to enter it.

Remember, God declares, many shall come, but few will enter. thus, how many of God's True children will fall away from the faith and be lost now, just as that first generation with Moses were back then?

Malachi 4:6- Very good, but timing is wrong. Look at v 5- "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:".

Let us not confuse this as happening at this time, but as seen, its right before the return of Christ- "before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord". (Rev. shows at Christ's return, all unsavd are slaughtered and left for the fowl to feed on.) I'd have to say thats pretty dreadful.

Elijah and Enoch, were the only two people, God ever took off the earth alive. Why? Revelation speaks of there being two witnesses who appear during the Tribulation Period, who openly and publicly witness for God. That will be these two. Why? God declares-

Its appointed unto all men once to die. Well, those two haven't died yet, as seen when these two witnesses are killed, then God revives them after 3 days, now those two have died and are raised to Heaven in the world's sight, in clouds. This will be the day Elijah and Enoch finally die, then ressurreted to live in God's sight as according to His Word.

But, I would suggest a restating of Munsey's idea of "rebellion". Read that Scripture-

I Sam. 15:23- "For rebellion is "as" the sin of witchraft, and stubborneess is "as" the sin of idolatry." So, those two sins are "like", but not the same as what they are noted "like".

"As", translates meaning- "like, similar to, like unto," etc, etc.

Witchcraft, in the Old test is called an "abomination". So really, rebellion is like an "abomination" to God. And idolatry is the same- an "abomination"- (Abomination of desolation)- Rev. where Satan, as the anti-christ defiles the Temple of God by sitting on the throne there, claiming himself to be god with false sacrifices and more done in the Temple.

So, really witchcraft is not rebellion, but rejection. complete and utter rejection, the black, dark opposite of the White Light side. To rebel, is to argue against, rejection is to turn totally away.

thats why rebelion is almost the same, as its the beginning to an end result of rejection. thus, they are similar, but still not the same.

My view anyways.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Rmartel

I can see and agree with the facts you have presented because they are true according to what is happening all over the world. I was surprised to hear about your church as something for the teens versus nothing appears that the enemy wanted to stop this Christian Commando. It is good that you stood up to point out the errors even though it may not have been taken,sadly to say.
I recently read a book by Stanley A. Ellisen titled 3 worlds in Conflict; on page 98 and 99 points out "Why Isreal rejected the Messiah" "Isreal's false religion system:" their Distortion of Scripture", and their "Distorted Plan of Salvation."
It has some interesting points that apply today as well for Jesus could not join them but wanted to purge them. Thus he had to draw them unto him
versus join them. If he joined them he would dimish his character along with that of the Fathers in him.
Yes I agree it will take a miracle. What is impossible for man is not impossible for God. Even in medicine with one drop of a cure deadens
billions of bacteria,or virus. Hence one drop of the Lords cure???
An interesting point about Moses was that he was raised by the Pharoahs household not with the same slave mentality :this idea was written in a book called: "The Supernatural Ways of Royalty" by Kris Vallotton and Bill Johnson. Many points are pointed out to our old ways and Norms.
There are many thought provoking ideas in this book that kinda knock the
**** out of old ideas. Well worth the reading. Revelations points out towards the end :
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

All your points are valid and I agree but is the Fathers hope the same as ours ?
Rmartel