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Posted by: phil brown black

Are there not more important things in the world than focussing on celebrities - I dont see that someone's fame makes them more or less significant (other to a celebrity obsessed population).

Aren't there more important issues in the world than any one man's accident - Iraq, the middle east, spirilling health issues in the USA.

It's easy to reel off high sounding platitudes but it ain't going make a bit of difference.

Discuss?


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by phil brown black
Are there not more important things in the world than focussing on celebrities - I dont see that someone's fame makes them more or less significant (other to a celebrity obsessed population).
Aren't there more important issues in the world than any one man's accident - Iraq, the middle east, spirilling health issues in the USA.
It's easy to reel off high sounding platitudes but it ain't going make a bit of difference.
Discuss?


Oh my friend I feel your frustration and pain but please have compassion. Were there more important things in life, the Romans destroying the world? Poverty and slavery was everywhere. Were there more important things like sickness and plague?

But then there was a man who said he was God. He took time to have compassion on a leper. He took time to heal a child. He took time to die for you and me.

Yes Roy Horn is a super star in the world’s eyes but he has a real need. He has a need to be healed and I hope saved.

Now my friend take a hard look at the whole Prayer Board thousands are praying for the very thing that is on you mind. Instead of being part of the problem by complaining why not enter a prayer for the very things that concern you.

Did not the Lord say he was looking for you when He said?
I looked for someone to stand in the gap and make up a hedge of protection (by praying) so the people would not destroy themselves.


Please go to one of the many places on this very board and be one of the answers not just a stone thrower.


Posted by: phil brown black

When did romans destroy the world?

Can you give me the bible reference to
"Did not the Lord say he was looking for you when He said?
I looked for someone to stand in the gap and make up a hedge of protection (by praying) so the people would not destroy themselves."

Thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by JG
Oh my friend I feel your frustration and pain but please have compassion. Were there more important things in life, the Romans destroying the world? Poverty and slavery was everywhere. Were there more important things like sickness and plague?

But then there was a man who said he was God. He took time to have compassion on a leper. He took time to heal a child. He took time to die for you and me.

Yes Roy Horn is a super star in the world’s eyes but he has a real need. He has a need to be healed and I hope saved.

Now my friend take a hard look at the whole Prayer Board thousands are praying for the very thing that is on you mind. Instead of being part of the problem by complaining why not enter a prayer for the very things that concern you.

Did not the Lord say he was looking for you when He said?
I looked for someone to stand in the gap and make up a hedge of protection (by praying) so the people would not destroy themselves.


Please go to one of the many places on this very board and be one of the answers not just a stone thrower.



Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by phil brown black
Can you give me the bible reference to
"Did not the Lord say he was looking for you when He said?
I looked for someone to stand in the gap and make up a hedge of protection (by praying) so the people would not destroy themselves."

Thanks



EZE 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 22:31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.

The wrath of God is letting us have our own way.


The temple at Jerusalem which was my whole world because I am Jewish was burnt August 10, A. D. 70, the exact same day and month o­n which it had been burnt by the king of Babylon: Josephus, Ant. b. xx. c. 11. s. 8.




Posted by: phil brown black

I see that 'your world' becomes 'the world' - there have been plenty of towns/cities destroyed by man over the millenia.

God destroyed a few himself

"Only on this condition will the men consent to us to dwell with us, to become one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised.
... It happened on the third day, when they were sore, that two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, each took his sword, came upon the unsuspecting city, and killed all the males"

call me old fashioned but that's just plain unsporting of God.

well I think I'll call it day now.
Thanks


Posted by: lennon57

Actually, this is not a discussion board, even though I have replied in answer to your discussion challenge, it is a prayer board, but that's ok, I also come in prayer for you and all who come upon this thread. Father, thank you today for this person to challenge us and make us take The Stand even stronger in Your Love and Mercy, I ask you pour your blessings mighty on him today and keep him safe, comforted and protected in all his days. I was given the gift of love and everlasting life in Him as all were offered, and I am completely unworthy of His love, protection, comfort and Grace, but I have received it just the same, and I will pray for the highest king or the lowest man in the street to receive just as I have. I pray daily for all, the lost, the saved, the middle of the road, the rich, the poor, the healthy, the afflicted, but we pray just the same. All are just as important, sometimes we focus for a time on what is immediately at hand as needed, just like other areas of life. That's what we do. WE take the Stand for salvation, renewal, and healing through Jesus. God IS THE GREAT I AM. You can debate it, but the Truth still comes through in the end. HOLY HOLY HOLY IS THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.
Much Peace and Blessings to you, Love in Christ
Doc
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John 17
12While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled. 13"I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17Sanctify[2] them by the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Quote:
Originally Posted by phil brown black
Are there not more important things in the world than focussing on celebrities - I dont see that someone's fame makes them more or less significant (other to a celebrity obsessed population).

Aren't there more important issues in the world than any one man's accident - Iraq, the middle east, spirilling health issues in the USA.

It's easy to reel off high sounding platitudes but it ain't going make a bit of difference.

Discuss?



Posted by: Mairy

While I read the post between the two of you several times, I do not see where phil is throwing stones. I think it is a legitimate concern that celebrities are higher profile than some small sick old woman in that same hospital. While I support the prayer Ray Horn is receiving, there certainly is some sick old person in that hospital just as important to God receiving no support from God's people because he is unknown. Let us not place the well known on earth higher than God's people.
In my humble opinion
Mary


Posted by: lennon57

Pray for ALL, great and small, when the time comes to pray. That's what matters. When we pray for ALL, we are doing what we are supposed to be doing. We can split hairs on ths subject all day, but we pray for ALL.
God Bless you
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mairy
While I read the post between the two of you several times, I do not see where phil is throwing stones. I think it is a legitimate concern that celebrities are higher profile than some small sick old woman in that same hospital. While I support the prayer Ray Horn is receiving, there certainly is some sick old person in that hospital just as important to God receiving no support from God's people because he is unknown. Let us not place the well known on earth higher than God's people.
In my humble opinion
Mary



Posted by: talena

I think you guys are failing to see the oppurtunity.

Suppose Roy receives a divine revelation from God...gets saved, receives a miraculous healing, and lives to testify about the goodness of the Lord. He is able to reach more people than we are. God can use this for HIS glory, and we are praying that it happen. Roy Horn is a very influential person in many aspects. People from all walks of life love this man. I was just saying how I have never seen such an outpouring of prayer for anyone...including celebrities. Roy's doctor even requested prayer. The world KNOWS people are praying, this is an oppurtunity for God to receive glory...as the WORLD watches it happen.

Certainly I do not favor Roy's needs more than anyone elses. I take them all seriously. I would be happy to stand in prayer with you for anything, just let me know.

And the difference between Roy Horn and that woman in the same hospital is that the requests for Roy are being made known. We do not know about anyone else in that same hospital, because no one has asked for prayer on their behalf. Roy's doctor has requested prayer on his behalf, and he requested it to thousands...thus the reason for thousands of prayers.

God bless you!


Posted by: lennon57

I agree in prayer today, bringing the Word to all people, salvation in Christ Jesus and healing for all is the ultimate goal. I don't think you could have said it any better.
Doc
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Quote:
Originally Posted by talena
I think you guys are failing to see the oppurtunity.

Suppose Roy receives a divine revelation from God...gets saved, receives a miraculous healing, and lives to testify about the goodness of the Lord. He is able to reach more people than we are. God can use this for HIS glory, and we are praying that it happen. Roy Horn is a very influential person in many aspects. People from all walks of life love this man. I was just saying how I have never seen such an outpouring of prayer for anyone...including celebrities. Roy's doctor even requested prayer. The world KNOWS people are praying, this is an oppurtunity for God to receive glory...as the WORLD watches it happen.

Certainly I do not favor Roy's needs more than anyone elses. I take them all seriously. I would be happy to stand in prayer with you for anything, just let me know.

God bless you!



Posted by: lizzie1007

I only have one comment. What have we hurt by praying for this man....or the many thousands of others......We have hurt nothing.....or no one....and we just might have done some good....I know my time spend in prayer truly blesses my heart.....you should try it......blessings to you ......Lizzie


Posted by: Hillenbrand

Quote:
Originally Posted by phil brown black
Are there not more important things in the world than focussing on celebrities - I dont see that someone's fame makes them more or less significant (other to a celebrity obsessed population).

Aren't there more important issues in the world than any one man's accident - Iraq, the middle east, spirilling health issues in the USA.

It's easy to reel off high sounding platitudes but it ain't going make a bit of difference.

Discuss?

Phil Brown Black, I know where you are coming from. The truth is a lot of people know this fellow and have been entertained by him so yeah they would have a love for him that you might not. I have never seen him perform but Love is always our aim , isn't it? If you were mauled by a Bengal Tiger, wouldn't you want me to pray for your healing. Wouldn't your family members be heartsick? Jesus has compassion on us whether we are famous or not. That is just how He is. I bet there were people who wondered why Jesus would bother with Lazurus.We don't know if he was a wonderful person or remarkable in anyway. We do know that God is LOVE. He is oozing mercy and grace all over us so why shouldn't we just take some time to pray for a stranger who was attacked by an animal. Love to You Phil and may God shower you with more love then you can possibly contain today. Hillenbrand


Posted by: JeriRose12

There is a spirit of distraction behind this post. The purpose of this board is to pray, and the devil would like nothing more than for us to stop. If we come over to reply to this, we will not be praying for needs. So my prayer is people pass this by for the real needs on this board.

~JeriRose~

And, yes, Lord, heal and save Roy Horn, not necessarily in that order. Amen.


Posted by: Mairy

Quote:
Originally Posted by lizzie1007
I only have one comment. What have we hurt by praying for this man....or the many thousands of others......We have hurt nothing.....or no one....and we just might have done some good....I know my time spend in prayer truly blesses my heart.....you should try it......blessings to you ......Lizzie

Of course we pray for this man, the thread was started by the concern that celebrities receive more prayers than unknowns. I have, obviously prayed for others you have missed the small point one man was trying to make and turn it into an absurd comment, like "you should try pray, it blesses my heart" a too obvious statement for this on this board
I for one an done on this subject and suggest the same to everyone else and pray the sick, the hurting, the unknown, the unloved, and the lonely. When I worked at the Salvation Army they were the ones who had no one to pray to. Thank you for your interest in my view Lizzie.
But, clearly it is time to move on


Posted by: Mairy

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeriRose12
There is a spirit of distraction behind this post. The purpose of this board is to pray, and the devil would like nothing more than for us to stop. If we come over to reply to this, we will not be praying for needs. So my prayer is people pass this by for the real needs on this board.

~JeriRose~

And, yes, Lord, heal and save Roy Horn, not necessarily in that order. Amen.

And Amen to your wise words Jeri Rose
I heartily agree
Mairy


Posted by: talena

Quote:
Originally Posted by phil brown black
It's easy to reel off high sounding platitudes but it ain't going make a bit of difference.

Discuss?


This thread was started as a discussion alluding that we are obsessed with Roy's celebrity, and suggesting that is the only reason that we are praying for him.

To make my point...we pray for what is requested. When thousands are making the same request for the same person, we will still honor each and every request. Roy's celebrity is NOT the reason for our prayers, but an addition is that we ask that God take this time to turn Roy's celebrity around for HIS glory. We pray for Roy's salvation and healing, and we pray that God get the glory for it.


Posted by: Mairy

Quote:
Originally Posted by talena
This thread was started as a discussion alluding that we are obsessed with Roy's celebrity, and suggesting that is the only reason that we are praying for him.

To make my point...we pray for what is requested. When thousands are making the same request for the same person, we will still honor each and every request. Roy's celebrity is NOT the reason for our prayers, but an addition is that we ask that God take this time to turn Roy's celebrity around for HIS glory. We pray for Roy's salvation and healing, and we pray that God get the glory for it.

But, clearly the prayers and discussion about this celebrity have elicited many more replies than the person who is desperately seeking prayers for whatver their situation is.
\Yes, we pray for each individual that requests prayers, but the numbers of replies to Roy Horns situation far exceed the individuals requesting pray. It is in the thousands, and someone else who is desparately trying to hold on in life gets very few views.


Posted by: JG

This is a card I made yesterday when thanking one of the Prayer Partners. I think it fits here.



I want thank all of you for answering this thread.
If you have noticed yesterday was a record day.

http://www.annointed.net/Community/...read.php?t=5527

Because Roy Horn has been seen by many he is loved by many.
That is the difference between him and the little grandma down the hall.
It does not make Roy a better person.
We should not be jealous of his star status.
Jesus prayed for the rich and the poor.
He loved them all.

Now we have to have the leadership and maturity on the board to realize that many are coming who do not know Jesus that well. This is not just our chance to pray but to let these people know us by our love.

Phil's question is an honest one. Which has to be answered by someone. We have had a lot of people come in the last few days who would have never come otherwise. The reason is because Siegfried and Roy's web site was down yesterday. So the Lord led them here.

Let's not bash these hurting people; let's use this time to bless them.

Now as to someone coming to a thread.
Only I have the right to close or lock down a thread.

Jerirose I see no difference in this thread than yours "Let's Pray" which has 1012 post and not all of them prayer. It is a place people feel home and like to visit. Because you have made it that way. I pray this board becomes a place where the Lost feels at home.

A young man named Bob who need the Lord wrote:
"I am here because I can be here. I have a freedom of speech like yourself and I am willing to exercise that. There aren't to many places like this where I can."

Yes Jerirose you are right we must pray.
But we must not be so focused as to not see the big picture.

People around the whole world beg me to help them into ministry.
What better place than here.
We get to be stretched and pulled in all directions until we see the Wisdom of the Lord.

Again I want to thank all of you for being so kind and praying and ministering to these people.

I mentioned yesterday about a prayer conference for the Partners. Only two responded. What do you guys think?

Jerry


Posted by: Ragamuffin

Thank you, JG, you said everything absolutely perfect.

I don't know that I would call myself a leader on this board, but I do know that I would jump at the opportunity to meet you in person and be part of your preaching and praying.

Thank you for putting things in the right perspective on this post.


Posted by: lizzie1007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mairy
Of course we pray for this man, the thread was started by the concern that celebrities receive more prayers than unknowns. I have, obviously prayed for others you have missed the small point one man was trying to make and turn it into an absurd comment, like "you should try pray, it blesses my heart" a too obvious statement for this on this board
I for one an done on this subject and suggest the same to everyone else and pray the sick, the hurting, the unknown, the unloved, and the lonely. When I worked at the Salvation Army they were the ones who had no one to pray to. Thank you for your interest in my view Lizzie.
But, clearly it is time to move on
Mairy I publically apoligize if I offended you....I replied (or I thought) to the original post of phil brown black....if fact I didn't even read your comments...(maybe I clicked the wrong one to reply).I was just saying he should pray for this man and it would bless him too.....and in no way did I mean to be absurd...just wondering why it even mattered if we prayed for hundreds......rich or poor.....who are we hurting......... I have no idea who prays for who...or how many times they prayer......I do it because it does blesses me....and I know God hears them............blessings..........Lizzie


Posted by: talena

Jerry,

we talked about the conference in chat last night. The idea is wonderful. we were trying to discuss when would be a good time. where would the conference be, in Washington?


Posted by: beausant

Quote:
Originally Posted by phil brown black
Are there not more important things in the world than focussing on celebrities - I dont see that someone's fame makes them more or less significant (other to a celebrity obsessed population).

Aren't there more important issues in the world than any one man's accident - Iraq, the middle east, spirilling health issues in the USA.

It's easy to reel off high sounding platitudes but it ain't going make a bit of difference.

Discuss?


Dear Phil,
What could be more important than a brother's suffering? Yes, there are many problems in the world. And I understand what you are saying. But still, we are all connected and have been charged to "love one another." Consider how Siegfried and Roy have actually blessed the planet by almost singlehandedly preserving 2 of nature's greatest wonders, the white tigers and white lions...brought back from the edge of extinction by these gifted entertainers and their dedication. Their conservation programs provide much more than entertainment and we all benefit. If for no other reason, I would bow my head to ask for healing for Roy Horn. But if God is our father, then he is my brother. As he was put into the ambulance, he begged for the tiger not to be harmed saying, "He's a good cat." His concern was very selfless. So I extend my love and prayers on his behalf...and to the bewildered creature who doesn't understand what is happening. Had I never heard of Roy...were he some unheralded enthusiast working behind the scenes and not a celebrity, I would still offer my prayers on his behalf. Were it you, I would do the same.

Blessings,
Beausant