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Is it wrong to smoke marijuana?

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Posted by: ThrashNCarve

Whenever I hear somebody who is a Christian talking about marijuana, they usually refer to our bodies as "a temple" or that we shouldn't harm it. But is it really that bad for us? What if it was legalized? Would it still be a sin to smoke it?


Posted by: HisPrincess

Hmmm...a great controversy in the criminal justice arena. Marijuana, like other drugs alters the mind. Some people say that its wrong becaus it does this. However, many pain killers also alter the mind. I believe that if something is a sin to YOU, you shouldn't do it, NOR should you cause your brothers and sisters to stumble. Very interesting topic, indeed.

HisPrincess


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Originally Posted by ThrashNCarve
Whenever I hear somebody who is a Christian talking about marijuana, they usually refer to our bodies as "a temple" or that we shouldn't harm it. But is it really that bad for us? What if it was legalized? Would it still be a sin to smoke it?



Posted by: jedijeb

Good question, and I guess you can look at it like alcohol. Alcohol is legal, and the Bible even mentions its use. It can't be wrong totally or Jesus would never have turned water into wine. But the sin comes in when one becomes a drunkard or addicted to it. Also once someone has consumed enough that it causes them to lose selfcontrol it can lead to committing of sins. Saying I did it because I was drunk is not an excuse for sin, nor would being high be an excuse. Letting something control us instead of us controlling it is a sin. Even food can be sinful when we over eat constantly, its called gluttony. Sex in not sin if it is confined within a marriage, but outside a marriage it is one of the worst. There are so many examples I could go on forever, what it comes down to is this, Does doing it give God glory? Anything that detracts from our witness of God in our lives is sin, plain and simple. If I laugh when someone tells a dirty joke and someone else sees me and says " He laughed and he is a Christian so God must not be that great" then I have sinned.

My grandfather could drink a beer and then never need another one, and would maybe drink one a month sometimes one a year. On the other hand my great uncle was an alcoholic and ended up committing suicide when he was drunk. If the Holy Spirit is in total control of your life at all times then nothing else you do will control you, but if you turn control over to anything else that is sin. As Jesus said, what we put into our bodies does not cause us to sin, but what proceedes out of the mouth does. What actions will smoking a joint lead to? Even if you can control it, what happens when someone else who cant sees you doing it and thinks it is Ok and ends up ruining thier life because of it, setting that example would be a sin by you.

Go in the guidance of the Holy Spirit and you will know the answers to these questions.

James


Posted by: cgirl

I heard that one joint was as harmful as 20 cigarettes. Do you see how many people die of lung cancer due to cigarettes? How much more harmful is marijuana? And the automobile accidents, 1 in 3 accidents are from people who smoke weed.


Posted by: teamjesus

Greetings in Christ Jesus

This is what the word of God says about this very subject

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is the temple (the very sanctuary) of the Holy Spirit Who lives within you, Whom you have received [as a Gift] from God? You are not your own,(amp)

1 Corinthians 6:20 You were bought with a price [purchased with a preciousness and paid for, made His own]. So then, honor God and bring glory to Him in your body.(amp)


So we are to look after our bodies, and not polute it with the things of this world

I pray this helps ya!

Bless ya heaps and heaps more!
Team Jesus Minisitires


Posted by: Ferre

Hi Jerry, and all others,

I found this site surfing and wanted to introduce myself, one of the otherwise anonimous surfers who pass by.
I'm Ferre and founded the Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry in April 2003, very rewarding, still on the path to enlightning though, well, more like looking where to enter that path.
Reading through the posts here brought me a little further on my queste for knowledge on metaphisycal matters, I guess there will be many more visits I'll make here in the future.

Peace and love,

Ferre


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferre
Hi Jerry, and all others,

I found this site surfing and wanted to introduce myself, one of the otherwise anonimous surfers who pass by.
I'm Ferre and founded the Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry in April 2003, very rewarding, still on the path to enlightning though, well, more like looking where to enter that path.
Reading through the posts here brought me a little further on my queste for knowledge on metaphisycal matters, I guess there will be many more visits I'll make here in the future.

Peace and love,

Ferre



Ferre: Cannabis is Marijuana. You site says things like Jesus used Marijuana.
That is so old.
We hippies of the 60's already did that it only led to aborations, death and a lot of pain.

Jesus was and is the only answer not durgs.


Posted by: Ferre

Quote:
Originally Posted by JG
Ferre: Cannabis is Marijuana. You site says things like Jesus used Marijuana.
That is so old.
We hippies of the 60's already did that it only led to aborations, death and a lot of pain.

Jesus was and is the only answer not durgs.


Dear Jerry, you are so right, Jezus is the answer, not drugs. The thing is, Cannabis is NOT drugs.
Jezus did use it, as did millions of other people during the ages and only since the 1930's it's been made illegal to protect the chemical industry for the competition Hemp is to the big multinationals if it would be produced for industrial purposes.
At least the country I live in uses it's common sense in those matters and here it's legal just as it should be in any other country.
Remember why it got a "bad name"? why it became a "drug"?

A little reminder :

Quote:
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics,
Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana
usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes,
entertainers and any others."

Harry Anslinger, U.S. Commissioner of Narcotics, testifying to Congress on why
marijuana should be made illegal, 1937.

(Marijuana Tax Act, signed Aug. 2, 1937; effective Oct. 1,1937.)


This kind of very intelligent, rational thinking people made cannabis an illegal drug.

Are you sure it was cannabis you were using those days? becouse there's not one death by cannabis known in history and The Herb is known to be used as a medicine for pain relief. (officially so in my country)
As I stated before, Cannabis is no drug, not a danger for public's health at all and it's about time the general public gets informed by scientists and doctors about this instead of corrupt politicians and the chemical industry lobby.

Some facts on Cannabis can be found here :

deleted by jerry

With all respect, but it's about time people get to know the truth.


Posted by: JG

This is so strange my friend.

Like I said this is old news from the dark side.
You quoted something that has no fact.

Why would I want to take something in me that would lead me from my Lord. I have found a few moments with Jesus is one million times better than and of the days I spent wacked out. I don't wake up and not know where I was. I have no bad feelings or guilt about what I did the night before. I have no black outs any more. I want to live not die. Man your story is so old and out of date. That is one lie from the pit of hell I pray no one fall for.

Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.

Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker’s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion, which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and Kaposi’s sarcoma. In addition, patients with weak immune systems will be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."


Possessing marijuana is a criminal offense. A person arrested for possession of marijuana can be charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on the amount involved and may receive a prison sentence.

The marijuana available today is stronger than the marijuana available in the 1960s. It also may be laced with other drugs. Because it's impossible to judge its potency just by looking at it, its effects are hard for users to regulate.

Tetrahydrocannabinol, the main, active ingredient in marijuana, temporarily alters brain functioning that affects sensory perception, reflexes, and coordination. Because it changes the way people see, hear, and feel, it can impair judgement. Driving under the influence of marijuana is extremely dangerous. The fact that many teens smoke marijuana while they are drinking alcohol makes driving even more lethal.

Though many people believe it isn't, marijuana is physically addicting. Each year, 100,000 people in the United States alone are treated for marijuana dependence. Heavy marijuana smokers who quit smoking may experience the same symptoms of withdrawal as users of nicotine or other drugs.

Studies suggest that marijuana may cause permanent short- and long-term memory loss.

Smoking marijuana can release inhibitions, causing people to engage in risky social and sexual behavior. In recent years, the consequences of such behavior has become deadly; since contracting AIDS is a possible consequence of unsafe sexual practices.

As with any excessive drug use, smoking marijuana can interfere with school performance, extra-curricular activities, and peer relations. Heavy smokers often lose their sense of motivation and find it difficult to concentrate. Particularly potent marijuana can even induce paranoia.

Regular use of marijuana may play a role in causing cancer (particularly lung cancer) and problems with the immune or reproductive systems. Studies also show that someone who smokes five joints a day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.


So what does pot do to the body? Not all of the effects are fully explored. We do know that pot can cause:

Lung damage: 1 smoked joint has about the effect of smoking five cigarettes.
Eye, throat and mouth irritation.
Cancer.
Memory lapses and inability to concentrate.
Temporary increase in heart rate and blood pressure, which can lead to more serious circulatory problems over time.
Decreased resistance to diseases.
Decreased sexual drive and decreased sperm count in men.
Taking marijuana in combination with other drugs can be very dangerous. Marijuana can increase the intoxicating effects of other drugs, and the increase in heart rate and blood pressure which marijuana causes can create a serious emergency. Using marijuana with any other drug, prescription or nonprescription, is a VERY bad idea


Posted by: Ferre

When your arguments are so strong, why did you censor the link that proved this reply of yours is false?
Quote:
I TIMOTHY CHAPTER 4
1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;


And brother Jerry, I'm well aware of :

Quote:
Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless.
Isaiah 10:1-2


I thought the lord Jesus doesn't approve censorship that much does he?

Btw, I'n not here to get into an argument, I live in a country where The Herb is not considered to be harmfull to public health and even on the medical list, my country is also known for it's universities and the high level of education, I don't think we are wrong, and the international statistics prove this too.

Peace brother, chill out a little, we are all supposed to be united on this earth.


Posted by: Moira

Hello there Jerry and Ferre!
You are giving a good show, go on




Posted by: JG

Jesus did not smoke any drug...
You web site said He did

If He had he would not be Jesus.

I am responsible for this board.

So I delete what I do not feel belongs here.

Over the last 10 years I have seen so many lives destroyed because of your drug. I have seen it kill and I mean kill many. It was always the same story.

I just wanted to be liked
I just wanted to have a little fun
I just wanted to feel better
I just wanted to be like my friends
I really thought I could handle it.
No one told me it had other stuff in it

I don't know why I don't want to study
I don't know why I don't want to go to school or work
Well my old friends don't understand me any more

Well I didn't have any money
Well I didn't sell it I just gave it to a friend
Well I can't afford to give it to everyone

Well I just bought if for my friends
Well it was no big deal
Well I just got a few things for them as a favor
Well the gun or knife was just for protection

I don't know why I am so depressed
I don't know why no one likes me any more.

The whole world hate me
My parents never understood me
My boss never gave me a chance

I didn't mean to lose my pay check
I didn't mean to lose my drivers license
I didn't mean to lose my house

Who do you think you are telling me what to do.
Jerry I didn't mean to pull the gun
Jerry I didn't mean to shoot.

Jerry why did my friend kill herself
Jerry why do I have to go to prison

Jerry why did God do this to me.
Jerry I was just in the car with some friends
Jerry it started over a pack of cigaretts
Jerry my friend pulled the gun
Jerry we just wanted a little money so we could get some more weed

My friend Your drug is the most evil drug in the world.
It is worse than all them put together.
It is from the pit of Hell to steal kill and destroy

It has killed more people than most of the wars on earth because of the destroyed lives it creates.

I TIMOTHY CHAPTER 4
1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Where were you when these families came to me with their broken lives and broken children over a stupid decision to do drugs.



Posted by: Ferre

Yes Jerry you are right, Jezus didn't "smoke" cannabis, it was one of the main ingredients of the Holy Annointing oil. (scientifically proven) The article in that page you censored didn't say Jezus "smoked" cannabis either, it was the outcome of a scientifical U.S. University study and about those phrases you come up with..
Yes, they do sound pathetic but are more suitable for alcohol, heroine, or other leathal drugs and their pathetic users. I guess it's hard for you to determine the difference but then again, you are not a scientist and only spreading fear into people's hearts.


Posted by: Ferre

Quote:
My friend Your drug is the most evil drug in the world.
It is worse than all them put together.
It is from the pit of Hell to steal kill and destroy

It has killed more people than most of the wars on earth because of the destroyed lives it creates.


LOL, not in our country, also not accordin to ALL official statistics on this planet.
Jerry, with all respect but working on people's emotions this way isn't really fair play, try some facts please.


Posted by: Moira



Hey, no need to escalate here on either side! I am an old (not so secret anymore) fan of Jerry and I think he is doing a very good job here in this Christian community. But I have to admit that I am a smoker myself and not ashamed of it at all. I have three children, a job and a man who loves me and I love him dearly. Also I am blessed with many friends and enjoy a happy life. I do sin sometimes, but I repent.

Can't we just be all friends?




Posted by: Moira

... besides... I don't even think I sin any time I smoke. In my case I don't do anything that I wouldn't normally do. Unless using marijuana is a sin in itself, but the act of smoking pot does not procure in me any additional sinful thinking. In other words, I don't turn into something/somebody else.
Your views on this matter are greately appreciated.

Also I would like to bring to your attention this other site I found while surfing deleted by jerry

There's an awful lot of discussion going on out there.

Please, let's all be friends. Can't we?


Posted by: Ferre

Jerry my friend, this conversation is a classic example of the reasons emotions rule over scientifical facts, and The Holy Bible.

for educational purposes I have added it in a post at our ministry's online forums. I hope this post will not be deleted, something we also do not know in our country btw.

deleted by jerry

Jezus is love. Right?


Posted by: akabezalel

I agree with Jerry.

And yes JESUS is love. Your Jezus is nothing more than a cruel deception from the pit of hell. Moira and Ferre, you have fallen in to the snare laid for you.

Father, I ask in the Name of JESUS, for the Salvation of Moira and Ferre. Holy Spirit, prepare their hearts, minds and spirits to hear the Word of Salvation through their drug haze. Father I ask that You make them miserable and uncomfortable to the point that they truely turn to YOU, the One True God and turn away from the flesh god that keeps them bound by their own will. Father, I bind their high here and in the spiritual realms, the drug they smoke will be completely ineffective and have nothing to offer them or anyone else who smokes it, the chemicals that produce the high are null and void, there will be no enjoyment or 'enlightenment' from their smoke. In fact Father, I loose their drugs power over them to You, please use their drug to scare the hell out of them and cause them to turn in repentance to You and ONLY YOU.

In the Name of JESUS Satan, back off, you and your minions no longer have permission to enter this room or Moira and Ferre's lives.

Thank You Father for Your TRUTH, Your WAY and Your LIGHT...JESUS AMEN


Posted by: Ferre

Quote:
And yes JESUS is love. Your Jezus is nothing more than a cruel deception from the pit of hell. Moira and Ferre, you have fallen in to the snare laid for you.

There is only one Jezus, brother akabezalel, so in your eyes he's from the pit of hell? I'll pray for you also, may you find the truth one day. Bless you, may God have mercy on your following the wrong information as "the only truth". and praying to give "fear" to your brothers and sisters. I pray for you to find love, the love you can find inside you and can give to others in unlimited amount. I pray that you pray to give love in the hearts of your brothers and sisters, also if they do not follow your own personal doctrines.
No worries about satan my friend, there's way too much love around us for this nasty creature to get anywhere near our lives.



Posted by: akabezalel

With All Due Respect...I DO NOT want your prayers Ferre. Your zigzag jezus is a lie and I do not want the prayers of a lie. I know where lies come from and they DO NOT come from God.


Posted by: Ferre

With all respect, but I guess I'll have to pray for you even more.

deleted by jerry


Posted by: Faithone

To the question of marijuana I pray the Holy Spirit will speak to everyone on this subject. I have seen the damage marijuana smoking does first hand . You see I'm a mother who has cried the tears ofpain for my daughter and her friends who have children who's life is being destroyed by this. Do not kid yourself this is an very addicting weed. When your daughter hits you so hard youhave headaches for weeks and you see your two year old granddaughter go thoughpain emotional ly Don't ever think it for kicks? It leads to other drugs. So ask yourself Why/ Try dealing with someone on drugs. Pray for a nation of people who started with a little pot for fun and now are on on hard stuff. It's REAL Thank you MayGod Deliverance is my prayer.


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferre
With all respect, but I guess I'll have to pray for you even more.deleted by jerry

Again my friend you show how little you know about the Lord.
Your link went to a site that said

"Jesus was a stoner
Was Jesus a spiritual, cannabis-using stoner that doused his disciples in a potent, marijuana-laced oil?
That's the claim made in an American cannabis magazine article that suggests Jesus Christ and his apostles used marijuana and promoted its usage for medicinal purposes and to carry out miraculous healings."

The word of God says.
ROM 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. ....1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

The two men that wrote the article knew nothing about Jesus or the bible. It matters not what college they teach in. Their science is about grade school level. To me it is sad that the only respect given to these two men who did not even know what was in the anointing oil were drug sites.

As to my education, I have three earned university degrees and have taught in college. You do not know this but I am jewish by orgin. So this topic is very interesting to me. It is silly but it is interesting.

SACRED ANOINTING OIL
EXODUS 30:

22 Moreover YHWH spake unto Moshe, saying,
23 Take thou also unto thee the chief spices: of flowing myrrh five hundred [shekels], and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty,
24 and of cassia five hundred, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil a hin.
25 And thou shalt make it a holy anointing oil, a perfume compounded after the art of the perfumer: it shall be a holy anointing oil.
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MYRRH
This was the gum or viscid white liquid which flows from a tree resembling the acacia, found in Africa and Arabia, the Balsamodendron myrrha of botanists. The "bundle of myrrh" in #So 1:13 is rather a "bag" of myrrh or a scent-bag. 2. Another word _lot_ is also translated "myrrh" #Ge 37:25 43:11 R.V., marg., "or ladanum". What was meant by this word is uncertain. It has been thought to be the chestnut, mastich, stacte, balsam, turpentine, pistachio nut, or the lotus. It is probably correctly rendered by the Latin word ladanum, the Arabic ladan, an aromatic juice of a shrub called the Cistus or rock rose, which has the same qualities, though in a slight degree, of opium, whence a decoction of opium is called laudanum. This plant was indigenous to Syria and Arabia.
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CINNAMON
Heb. kinamon, the Cinnamomum zeylanicum of botanists, a tree of the Laurel family, which grows only in India on the Malabar coast, in Ceylon, and China. There is no trace of it in Egypt, and it was unknown in Syria. The inner rind when dried and rolled into cylinders forms the cinnamon of commerce. The fruit and coarser pieces of bark when boiled yield a fragrant oil. It was one of the principal ingredients in the holy anointing oil #Ex 30:23 It is mentioned elsewhere only in #Pr 7:17 So 4:14 Re 18:13 The mention of it indicates a very early and extensive commerce carried on between Palestine and the East.
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CALLAMUS
The Latin for cane, Hebrew _Kaneh_, mentioned #Ex 30:23 as one of the ingredients in the holy anointing oil, one of the sweet scents #So 4:14 and among the articles sold in the markets of Tyre #Eze 27:19 The word designates an Oriental plant called the "sweet flag," the ocorus calamus of Linnaeus. It is elsewhere called "sweet cane" #Isa 43:24 Jer 6:20 It has an aromatic smell, and when its knotted stalk is cut and dried and reduced to powder, it forms an ingredient in the most precious perfumes. It was not a native of Palestine, but was imported from Arabia Felix or from India. It was probably that which is now known in India by the name of "lemon grass" or "ginger grass," the Andropogon schoenanthus.
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CASSIA
1. Hebrew _kiddah'_, i.e., "split." One of the principal spices of the holy anointing oil #Ex 30:24 and an article of commerce #Eze 27:19 It is the inner bark of a tree resembling the cinnamon (q.v.), the Cinnamomum cassia of botanists, and was probably imported from India. 2. Hebrew pl. _ketzi'oth_ #Ps 45:8 Mentioned in connection with myrrh and aloes as being used to scent garments. It was probably prepared from the peeled bark, as the Hebrew word suggests, of some kind of cinnamon.


Posted by: Ragamuffin

This is just my opinion of what I know in part...the reason for possible legalization of marajuana is not so that we can all go out and get high, but rather for people in pain, specifically cancer related pain. And the marajuana does't make the pain go away, it makes the mind altered and you don't care as much...
I agree with what James wrote, the addiction is the sin, anything that can cause you to get stuck on it, if it is not edifying to Jesus, it is a sin. That can be so many things, a huge topic of discussion.
Again, just my opinion.


Posted by: JG

Good morning Rag:

I just merged two threads on this subject.
What do you think.
Jerry


Posted by: Ragamuffin

I think that what you wrote is great - another time of obedience for you to do as the Lord tells you... There is nothing like the Truth - God's Truth - to set things straight. thank you...
It hurts my heart when I read some of the questions asked by those that somehow want an okay to do something that they know is wrong, or they wouldn't be asking in the first place...but I thank God that they ask, and they are met by a servant of the Lord like you, that can show God's Truth and light their way.
blessings to you in all ways...


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Okay I have avoided this discussions but here goes.
Here are my views and opinions. I grew up in the sixties and yes I used marijuana for many years. Did I think it was wrong while I was using it? No, I thought it made me more aware and compassionate. Did I think it had a negative affect on my life? No, I thought it was one of the most important parts of my life. What do I think now? Do I regret that I wasted years being a slave to it? YES. I regret it. Why? Because I did waste years. Marijuana may not make you do bad things. It may make you feel peaceful but it also interrupts your productivity. I wonder what I could have done with my life those 10 years that I was getting stoned everyday. To have that youth and energy back and be able to dedicate those years to so many other things that would have enhanced my career and my education would be priceless.

Do I think it should be legalized. I think it should be decriminalized. Why? Because our legal system has been clogged with drugs. Has the war on drugs worked? Obviously not! I don't feel that marijuana use is harmful to others but I do feel it is destructive to the individual using it. I also feel that by make it criminal we also make it appealling to youth. Unfortunately, as humans especially our young get a charge out of doing the things we are not suppose to do. There are many things that I think are more harmful that are legal. That does not make those things okay either. Anyway, that is not the discussion I wanted to make.

The thing that I do know is that when you are close to God, you don't need marijuana. The love and peace of God is so much greater than the false high marijuana gives you. So why would anyone need it. God is the ultimate high, the comforter, the source of love. When you are high on marijuana you and I know that you are not at your best thinking capacity. If a crisis happened you would not be able to think clearly and rationally.


Posted by: Moira

Hello everybody! I am just coming back from the kitchen. Today my children have seafood for dinner: clams, oysters, muscles and sqids all served with some Belgian dressing (I guess it's Belgian) and bruschetta bread. This has got little to do with a prayer site, I realise, but so has marijuana in my opinion. I don't understand why it has to be an issue at all.

I think it's good to pray for each other, that's why I have been coming here every day for the past few months. But when I have read that Akabezalel does not accept Ferre's prayers I thought it was arrogant from him to say the least. We all are sinners in the eyes of God, still we pray. The heavens belong to the humble not to the proud.

Our Father in Heaven,
let your holy name be known,
let your kingdom come,
and your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.
Give us today the bread that we need,
and forgive us our wrongs,
as we forgive those
who have done wrong to us.
Do not lead us into trial,
but save us from evil.

And save us from evil, yes. But what you call evil has been my salvation. Fortunately our Father didn't curse my herb and I could still benefit from its anti-nausea properties. HE knows better I used to be anorexic and I am happy to say that I am fine now. Another every day miracle that has passed unwitnessed till today.

Let's all join in prayer


Posted by: Urbanhog

UM.... excuse me JG.... I think you are one misinformed man......

Have you ever heard of canna-cookies? people consuming cannabis orally not smoking joints?

because you said:

"Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients."

Yeah but if you check out these "medical marijuana websites" you will find there's a lot of people especially who have MS, cancer, AIDS, and the list is endless and they dont like smoking it, so they consume it by making cannabis laced cakes, cookies, etc etc

Can you please name ONE person that died from eating WAY TOO MUCH cannabis? not deaths while under influnce of cannabis, thats a different story.

As long you grow your own, and your cannabis is clean, and its safe to eat your own herbs/cannabis that you grew rather making cannabis from these mass production caanabis farms that's often pumped full of chemicals and nasty stuff.... thats why a lot of reports that you, I am talking about you, JG, have told us all these negetive reports of the "harmful sides" of cannabis... but which cannabis did the researchers did the tests from? It's the big mass farmers looking for fast cash causing the problem, not harmless personal growers who are only harming themselves as its their own choice by their right, no matter what the law says, as long you take your own risk.

Where are the reports from clean homegrown cannabis? Anyone died from them? Please tell me ONE person that died from clean homegrown cannabis.... not deaths from these "so called cannabis related deaths while under influnce"

Not every "cannabis users" are joint smokers, I know plenty actually consume cannabis laced cookies, meals, cakes, etc etc and they hardly smoke cannabis.

I dare you to NAME one person and show us the proof and report of that person that "died from cannabis".

Thanks for your time JG.

Urbanhog


Posted by: Urbanhog

Eating clean homegrown cannabis has way different side effects compared to smoking them.......

I know.... I EAT and COOK cannabis and I am proud of it, and not ashamed and I love god, and I know he loves me, no matter what you guys think....

I am still alive after eating cannabis for over 8 years and I am fit, I am a manager of my job position and go to the gym 4-6 days a week.

So are we cannabis users are sinners?

I don't rob or threat or harm anyone just myself, its my choice, and I informed myself of the risks, and willing to take the risks. It's my body.

Thanks

Urbanhog


Posted by: jedijeb

Quote:
Originally Posted by Urbanhog
It's my body.

Thanks

Urbanhog


Actually if you are a Christian, your soul, mind and body belong to Christ, so therefore it isn't your body anylonger.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

If you are a Christian and you love God, and yes I know that he still loves you even if you smoke marijuana because he still loves us even when we sin, if you are not a cancer patient, if you don't have MS, if you don't have glacoma, WHY DO YOU NEED IT???????????????? What can marijuana do for you that God can't?


Posted by: Faithone

Holy Spirit we ask you to impart this question to everyone? Why would you want to smoke period. Anything you put in your temple will have a postive or negative effort. Let,s do our saviors work God has a plan for everyone. Father God they need your love. I have a grandaughter her life has been a roller coaster ride because of everything this drug does. Jesus said suffer the little childern to come unto me for such is the kingdom of heaven. people display violence and after long use of this weed you are hooked so you go to something stronger. every day God gives to live do it postively Work to witness to people Live to inspire to change Jesus loves truth He came to set people free His Blood did that on Calvary. John 3 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever beliveth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. This comes from a mother a grandmother and a women who loves you . Jesus loves you What would Jesus do Look to god;s Word.


Posted by: Ferre

Dear Jerry,

As you have proven to tolerate ONLY your opinion on Biblical matters, by deleting every single post I made proving your outdated and NON BIBLICAL visions on The Holy Herb, it has no longer use for me debating this issue here.
I come from, and live in an open and democratic society where this kind of censor is only known to be used by extremists and dictators. If your arguments would have been as strong as you want your audience to believe there would have been no need at all to delete the information links I added in my posts, and the reasons given by you are a lie.
As I don't want to debate with people who sencor and lie to prove they are right this will be my last post at your boards.

Kind regards, Ferre

edited : it is also sneaky and a priest unworthy to edit our website's url in my profile to something else, making it seem to be an error page.
I did repear this. (for as long as you can leave it there.)
Our ministry's website : deleted by jerry

Some facts :

The name cannabis is generally thought to be of Scythian origin. Sula Benet in Cannabis and Culture argues that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, occurring several times in the Old Testament. He states that in Exodus 30:23 that God commands Moses to make a holy anointing oil of myrrh, sweet cinnamon, kaneh bosm, and kassia. He continues that the word kaneh bosm is also rendered in the traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus and that the root "kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". He states that in the earliest Greek translations of the old testament "kan" was rendered as "reed", leading to such erroneous English translations as "sweet calamus" (Exodus 30:23), sweet cane (Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20) and "calamus" (Ezekiel 27:19; Song of Songs 4:14). Benet argues from the linguistic evidence that cannabis was known in Old Testament times at least for its aromatic properties and that the word for it passed from the Semitic language to the Scythians, i.e. the Ashkenaz of the Old Testament.

It was said that Moses, at the direction of Almighty God, first brought in the use of kaneh bosm (cannabis) in public worship, and that the other nations of antiquity copied the practice from him. It was however a practice that began with Adam. The "Book of Jubilees", an Apocryphal book, (the Apocrypha was considered canonical by the early church and is to this day by the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church) states that "on the day when Adam went forth from the Garden of Eden, he offered as a sweet savour an offering of frankincense, galbanum, and stacte, and kaneh bosm (cannabis), in the morning with the rising of the sun, from the day when he covered his shame." And of Enoch we read that "he burnt the incense of the sanctuary, even sweet kaneh bosm (cannabis), acceptable before the Lord, on the Mount."

Kaneh bosm (cannabis) was assigned miraculous powers by the Israelites. It was burned in golden bowls or cauldrons placed on or beside the altar. It was also burned in hand-held censers. In the Blessing of Moses, a poem belonging to the Northern Kingdom of Israel, and written about 760 B.C., the sacrificial smoke is offered to the God of Israel.

Let them teach Jacob thy judgments, and Israel thy law; Let them offer sacrificial smoke to thy nostrils, and whole burnt sacrifice upon thy altar.

Throughout the Bible the ancient patriarchs were brought into communion with God through smoking kaneh bosm (cannabis).

Scriptures make it abundantly clear that the clouds and the smoke are related to the burning of incense. Exodus 40:26 describes Moses burning incense, a cloud covering the tent of the congregation and the glory of the Lord filling the tabernacle. Leviticus 16:2-13 describes how God appeared in a cloud and refers to it as the clouds of incense. Numbers 16:17-19 describes how every man of the congregation had a censer full of burning incense and that the glory of the Lord appeared unto all the congregation. Isaiah 6:4 describes how Ezekial saw God in a smoke-filled inner court. Numbers 11:25 describes how God was revealed to moses and the seventy elders in a cloud; that the spirit rested upon them and that they prophesied and ceased not.




Posted by: Dreamweaver

Ferre,
I think it is too bad if you no longer post because I think this is a worthy discussion. Having been a former marijuana user I understand your points but no longer using marijuana I believe you are just fooling yourself into believing it is okay with God just so you can continue to gain pleasure from it. I ask you again, what does marijuana do for you that God cannot? If your spirit is with God I don't think you need any vices. I do understand that there are those that use marijuana for medicianal purposes and I don't think it is any worse than the prescription drugs and I don't think marijuana is even close to being the worst thing a Christian can do but I just don't think you need it and you are trying to justify it's use so you can continue to use without guilt.


Posted by: lizzie1007

Quote:
Originally Posted by JG
This is so strange my friend.

Like I said this is old news from the dark side.
You quoted something that has no fact.

Why would I want to take something in me that would lead me from my Lord. I have found a few moments with Jesus is one million times better than and of the days I spent wacked out. I don't wake up and not know where I was. I have no bad feelings or guilt about what I did the night before. I have no black outs any more. I want to live not die. Man your story is so old and out of date. That is one lie from the pit of hell I pray no one fall for.

Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.

Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker’s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion, which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and Kaposi’s sarcoma. In addition, patients with weak immune systems will be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."


Possessing marijuana is a criminal offense. A person arrested for possession of marijuana can be charged with either a misdemeanor or a felony, depending on the amount involved and may receive a prison sentence.

The marijuana available today is stronger than the marijuana available in the 1960s. It also may be laced with other drugs. Because it's impossible to judge its potency just by looking at it, its effects are hard for users to regulate.

Tetrahydrocannabinol, the main, active ingredient in marijuana, temporarily alters brain functioning that affects sensory perception, reflexes, and coordination. Because it changes the way people see, hear, and feel, it can impair judgement. Driving under the influence of marijuana is extremely dangerous. The fact that many teens smoke marijuana while they are drinking alcohol makes driving even more lethal.

Though many people believe it isn't, marijuana is physically addicting. Each year, 100,000 people in the United States alone are treated for marijuana dependence. Heavy marijuana smokers who quit smoking may experience the same symptoms of withdrawal as users of nicotine or other drugs.

Studies suggest that marijuana may cause permanent short- and long-term memory loss.

Smoking marijuana can release inhibitions, causing people to engage in risky social and sexual behavior. In recent years, the consequences of such behavior has become deadly; since contracting AIDS is a possible consequence of unsafe sexual practices.

As with any excessive drug use, smoking marijuana can interfere with school performance, extra-curricular activities, and peer relations. Heavy smokers often lose their sense of motivation and find it difficult to concentrate. Particularly potent marijuana can even induce paranoia.

Regular use of marijuana may play a role in causing cancer (particularly lung cancer) and problems with the immune or reproductive systems. Studies also show that someone who smokes five joints a day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.


So what does pot do to the body? Not all of the effects are fully explored. We do know that pot can cause:

Lung damage: 1 smoked joint has about the effect of smoking five cigarettes.
Eye, throat and mouth irritation.
Cancer.
Memory lapses and inability to concentrate.
Temporary increase in heart rate and blood pressure, which can lead to more serious circulatory problems over time.
Decreased resistance to diseases.
Decreased sexual drive and decreased sperm count in men.
Taking marijuana in combination with other drugs can be very dangerous. Marijuana can increase the intoxicating effects of other drugs, and the increase in heart rate and blood pressure which marijuana causes can create a serious emergency. Using marijuana with any other drug, prescription or nonprescription, is a VERY bad idea
You did an excellent job from the religious and the physical side.......and all to my knowledge can be varied by fact........now for the criminal side.....80% of the incarerated admit to have using illegal drugs/and or alcohol at the time they commited the offenses of rape, murder, sexual abuse of their children and a variety of other violent offenses against persons. Marijuana is also a "gateway drug." Which means it usually leads to something a little stronger to get the desired affect. All facts that can be verified through the Dept. of Justice. Being a cop I can speak for the many kids killed ....by turning to crack or LSD when marijuana "just wasn't enough". The destruction of lives, families, innocent victims.......are too much....to name......ask the father of Polly Klass...abducted from her bedroom, brutially raped and murdered....by one Richard Davies.....who testified he had simply gotten too high on marijuana.....and I will get off my soap box........thank you Jerry ...........because lead people and families from the Lord is just what it does.....and my Savior didn't smoke weed.......blessings...lizzie


Posted by: Moira

Quote:
Holy Spirit we ask you to impart this question to everyone? Why would you want to smoke period.


In my case I feel more relaxed when I have a little of it at evenings after a hard day work, and I can taste my food better. Lamb today btw
Then I entartain myself in a relaxing activity such as reading stories to the children, surfing, reading a book to myself and pray. It's a nice way to wind down. It wouldn't make sence to me to smoke all day because I am very busy and have to respect a very strict schedule.

I am 34 and I don't take any drugs. LSD never appealed to me because I like to stick with reality and I am very suspicious of any unsual phenomenon. Cocaine is said to make people nervous and we have enough opportunities to get nervous in this world without its aid. Opiates are addictive and in my opinion should be left for terminal illnesses only. Ecstasy ( I had to look into this one because it's around a lot and I have a teen-age son) seems to have a kind of tearing effect on the brains of some people. Not all (good news here ), just some people. It's like the nylons, when they start to break... and then soap is said to help to stop the tear from getting bigger. Well, there are some neuroprotectors that seem to limit the "tear" in the brains too, another good news here Don't think of a huge tear, more a microscopic one that cuts some neural terminations responsible for our mood and some aspects of our personality. Again, just a few people suffer this, but those few people DO.

To the one who asked: NO, I won't move from my food supplement on to drugs, because simply it's just NOT ME.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Again, If you are a Christian why do you need marijuana to relax? Moira you state that you don't use drugs yet you smoke marijuana? What does marijuana do for you that God can't? Stop kidding yourself. You like it, you don't want to stop using it so you are looking for ways to justify it in your own mind. I guess it's hard to face reality when you're stoned!

By the way, who did you pray for on this board today? Anyone?


Posted by: Josie B

Thing that comes to me is the word phamecia? Meaning drugs in essence...and about obey the laws of our land..unless they conflict with Gods laws. We are to found sober... not stumbling another...


Posted by: Moira

I am usually reserved about my evening prayers and I won't make an ecception this time. But yes, many people are in my heart, in my thoughts and prayers. And our Father knows.

I am not replacing God with a puff a day. I am not replacing Him with the food I eat, nor with my vitamins, water or immunization course. Not with chocolate, nor with the First of the Year Champagne. And I think these are all gifts of God.

Still I like it here Thank you for your replies.


Posted by: JG

Dear Ferre:

Least you forget this board is a CHRISTIAN PRAYER BOARD.

I really do love having you come. But understand my job is not religious freedom my job is to win you to Jesus.

You like to mention things that are not in Christianity at all.
Like your book of jubilee. scholars generally agree the book was written (135-105 B.C.). Dr. Headlam suggests that the author was a fervent opponent of the Christian Faith (see Hastings, "Dictionary of the Bible"). But if the author, as it is suggested in this rather improbable hypothesis, lived in early Christian times, he must have written his book before the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple, since the latter is assumed throughout to be still in existence as the great center of Jewish worship.

It was never thought as part of the cannon because it contradicts itself and other writings of the Old Testament. Because we believe God's word is true we do not believe in a book that debates itself.

The contents of the Book of Jubilees deal with the facts and events related in the canonical Book of Genesis, enriched by a wealth of legends and stories which had arisen in the course of centuries in the popular imagination of the Jewish people. According to author, Hebrew was the language originally spoken by all creatures, animals and man, and is the language of Heaven.

Now directing attention to your scholars Sula Benet and Sara Benetowa who was from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw is quoted in the Book of Grass (marijuana).

Their total science and reason is because the word kaneh sounds like a Persian or Scythians word and then only the root portion of the word. According to these people that wrote a book called "Grass" they say because this word sounds like the persian word it must mean marijuana. These are not scholars these are people writing about marijuana. Not one serious theologian of real Christian or Jewish faith believes this.

now as to the reason I edit post.
I am jealous for my sheep and I do not want to lead any baby Christians into a place they do not understand. Just as you will do when you have children. You would not let them play with boiling water when they are two.

I am not mad at you I am just Jealous.
ThankYou
Jerry


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moira
I am usually reserved about my evening prayers and I won't make an ecception this time. But yes, many people are in my heart, in my thoughts and prayers. And our Father knows.
I am not replacing God with a puff a day. I am not replacing Him with the food I eat, nor with my vitamins, water or immunization course. Not with chocolate, nor with the First of the Year Champagne. And I think these are all gifts of God.Still I like it here Thank you for your replies.


Dear Moira:

Here is the danger of your testimoney about pot.
If your testimoney tempts one child to try pot and he or she gets hurt you have sinned and not known it. It they do more durgs, if they drive on durgs and kill someone you are also guilty of murder and you did not know it.

"These little ones who believe to stumble..."
Mark 9:42-47
[42] “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea. [43] “If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire, [44] [where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.] [45] “If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell, [46] [where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.] [47] “If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, [48] where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (NAS)

In this reading, Jesus lists four types of sin that are horrifying in consequence. One might even see them as the four paths to hell. In each case Jesus suggests that death or mutilation is a better alternative to continuing these sins. His purpose is to show his followers (these are not Pharisees he is speaking to) that this life is nothing compared to the next and that there are no pleasures in this life that are worth a moment’s joy in God’s embrace. The four paths are:

I like to think of it this way.
If your eye is watching something that is sinful it is better to destroy the tv than go to hell. I am just as guilty for a system of injustice from which I benefit as if I was personally stalking the vulnerable. For example, the man who views pornography is as guilty as the man who takes the photographs.
If your hand is doing evil it is better to destroy the drugs and stuff that helps you sin than go to hell
If your friends or neighbors cause you to sin it is better to move than go to hell.

The path of manipulation;
Here is the path of leading someone into sin by example or intent; but it is also the sin using someone who is vulnerable for personal pleasure or gain. This could be the sin of a father seeking his own pleasures over his family responsibilities or the exploitation of the powerless by the powerful.

If you lead a little one to sin, well let's just say God does not like it.
If you drug dealer sell stuff to people who get hurt.
If someone is raped or steals or does other durgs you are guility of all the sins of the drug dealer because you enable him to help others to sin.


Posted by: Ferre

Quote:
now as to the reason I edit post.
I am jealous for my sheep and I do not want to lead any baby Christians into a place they do not understand. Just as you will do when you have children. You would not let them play with boiling water when they are two.

Now this is exactly why I'd rather not talk to you anymore. See, I think you don't understand something, this is the World Wide Internet and your "audiance" are NOT 2 year old children, most of us, in fact are well educated adults and some of them, as in my case, ministers of church from other countries.
You maybe might not like this very much but I have news for you. You do not own the truth. Neither do you make yourself more popular, as a leader, if you need to censor the rest of the world out here.
I do have children myself but one should have respect for their own judgement.
BTW, NO where in the Bible is written that Cannabis would be wrong to use.
The Bible states that we should obey the law and you also do not realise, or even know maybe, that using Cannabis for religious reasons is totally legal according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, art.18 and the THC ministry and all of their members have won every court case in the U.S. since the year 1997, in fact we are not illegal at all. Just do a Google search on "thc ministry" and you will find out it's all completely legal. The Bible also don't mind so don't try to add some "guilth" feeling on people who use it, it's misplaced, it's not a sin at all.


Posted by: cgirl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Urbanhog
UM.... excuse me JG.... I think you are one misinformed man......

Have you ever heard of canna-cookies? people consuming cannabis orally not smoking joints?

because you said:

"Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients."

Yeah but if you check out these "medical marijuana websites" you will find there's a lot of people especially who have MS, cancer, AIDS, and the list is endless and they dont like smoking it, so they consume it by making cannabis laced cakes, cookies, etc etc

Can you please name ONE person that died from eating WAY TOO MUCH cannabis? not deaths while under influnce of cannabis, thats a different story.

As long you grow your own, and your cannabis is clean, and its safe to eat your own herbs/cannabis that you grew rather making cannabis from these mass production caanabis farms that's often pumped full of chemicals and nasty stuff.... thats why a lot of reports that you, I am talking about you, JG, have told us all these negetive reports of the "harmful sides" of cannabis... but which cannabis did the researchers did the tests from? It's the big mass farmers looking for fast cash causing the problem, not harmless personal growers who are only harming themselves as its their own choice by their right, no matter what the law says, as long you take your own risk.

Where are the reports from clean homegrown cannabis? Anyone died from them? Please tell me ONE person that died from clean homegrown cannabis.... not deaths from these "so called cannabis related deaths while under influnce"

Not every "cannabis users" are joint smokers, I know plenty actually consume cannabis laced cookies, meals, cakes, etc etc and they hardly smoke cannabis.

I dare you to NAME one person and show us the proof and report of that person that "died from cannabis".

Thanks for your time JG.

Urbanhog

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I have looked up the websites like you suggested, this is what they said:

In contrast, those ingesting marijuana experience effects that are slower to develop, cumulative, longer lasting, and more variable, making unpleasant reactions more likely with this method of administration.

The primary effects of marijuana are behavioral, because the drug affects the central nervous system (CNS). Popular use of marijuana has arisen from its effects of euphoria, sense of relaxation, increased visual, auditory, and taste perceptions that may occur with low to moderate doses of the drug. Most users also report an increase in their appetite ("munchies").

Unpleasant effects that may occur include depersonalization, changed body image, DISORIENTATION and acute PANIC reactions or severe PARANOIA. Some cases of severe DELIRIUM and hallucinations have also been reported.

Marijuana has specific effects that may DECREASE one's ABILITY to perform tasks requiring a great deal of coordination (such as driving a car). Visual tracking is IMPAIRED and the sense of time is typically prolonged.

LEARNING may be greatly affected because the drug diminishes one's ability to CONCENTRATE and pay attention. Studies have shown that learning may become "state-dependent" meaning that information acquired or learned while under the influence of marijuana is best recalled in the same state of drug influence.

Other marijuana effects may include blood-shot eyes; INCREASED HEART RATE and HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE; possible detrimental effects upon the immune system. {I don't now about you, but I can do without these}

Regular users, upon discontinuation of marijuana, may experience WITHDRAWAL effects. These may include agitation, insomnia, irritability, and anxiety. Because the metabolite (the substance formed when the body breaks marijuana down) of marijuana may be stored in the body's fat tissue, evidence of marijuana may be demonstrated through urine assay testing up to 1 month after discontinuing the drug in heavy users.

The active component in cannabis is believed to have medical properties. Many maintain that it is effective in the treatment of nausea caused by chemotherapy in cancer patients. {nausea? Is that all?!}

Others claim that cannabis stimulates appetite in patients with AIDS or is useful in the treatment of glaucoma. While the active ingredient in marijuana has been approved as a synthetic medication by the FDA (dronabinol) for these purposes, use of whole marijuana remains HUGELY controversial. Currently, cannabis is illegal even for medical use under federal law.
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I don't have the ailments listed above, but if I do, I'd go with prayer and legal medicine, not on weed.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Ferre, Miora,
I'm still asking you're still not answering. What can marijuana do for you that God can't?


Posted by: JG

Ferre I do not think I own the net.
I do own this site.
You agreeded to the terms of this site when you signed up.

"By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
This is a Christian prayer group, so please when posting or responding to others act in a way that would be pleasing to the Lord.

The owners of Anointed.net Prayer Board have the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason."

So I can do what I feel the Lord wants here.
This is my home. I did not come to your home you came to mine.
You then decided to join. So you gave your word you would go by the term of the board.

Also I am not subject to the world court I am subject to the American Court. For that I am very proud of.

Now for the rest of my friends.
This may help some of you
All drugs including grass is a form of sorcery:


The New Testament Greek Lexicon

 Strong's Number:  5331farmakeiđa
Original WordWord Origin
 farmakeiđa from (5332)
Transliterated WordPhonetic Spelling
 Pharmakeia far-mak-i'-ah  
Parts of SpeechTDNT
 Noun Feminine None
 Definition
 

  1. the use or the administering of drugs
  2. poisoning
  3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
  4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry


Sorcerers - Those Who Practice Witchcraft, Demonism, And Follow After The Occult And Satan. Sorcerer Comes From The Greek Word Pharmacia, Meaning "Enchantment With Drugs". Thus Drug Users And Even Drug Pushers Are Included In The Guilty Verdict For Judgment.(Exodus 22:18; Deuteronomy 18:10; Isaiah 2:6; Genesis 44:15; Genesis 41:24; Isaiah 8:19; Revelations 13:13; 16:14; 19:20; Galatians 5:20; Exodus 7:11)

[B]If your drug dealer sell anything to anyone who sins you are guilty of that sin also. If they steal, kill or destroy anything while or on the drugs you are also guilty. Because you enabled the drug dealer by your business.

The Christian world must stand up and stop this blindness.


Posted by: Ferre

- What can Art do for you that God can't?
- What can a glass of wine do for you that God can't?
- What can a good meal do for you that God can't?
- What can a movie do for you that God can't?
- What can a car do for you that God can't?
- What can your children do for you that God can't?
- What can your friends do for you that God can't?
- What can Jerry do for you that God can't?
- What can you do for yourself that God can't?

Dreamweaver, we all enjoy our lives and everything in it without asking this question. so why now? It's just as silly question.
Btw,
In Exodus, the eating of shellfish is forbidden. In Leviticus, any physical contact with a menstrating woman or even a seat upon which a menstrating woman has sat is forbidden. Leviticus forbids planting two types of seed in one field, cross breeding animals and wearing clothes made of two types of fabric. Why are some biblical laws ignored and some followed? If you want to make sure to use Biblical reasons to forbid cannabis, you'd better check your clothing labels, cancel the lobster dinner and start asking where menstrating women have been sitting in public places. For those things there are explicive rules. Not for Cannabis.


Posted by: Ferre

Yes Dear Jerry, This we are very aware of also, but the sorcerer was one who used roots, herbs, and potions to CONTROL or influence the mind of OTHERS.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferre
- What can Art do for you that God can't?
- What can a glass of wine do for you that God can't?
- What can a good meal do for you that God can't?
- What can a movie do for you that God can't?
- What can a car do for you that God can't?
- What can your children do for you that God can't?
- What can your friends do for you that God can't?
- What can Jerry do for you that God can't?
- What can you do for yourself that God can't?

Dreamweaver, we all enjoy our lives and everything in it without asking this question. so why now? It's just as silly question.
Btw,
In Exodus, the eating of shellfish is forbidden. In Leviticus, any physical contact with a menstrating woman or even a seat upon which a menstrating woman has sat is forbidden. Leviticus forbids planting two types of seed in one field, cross breeding animals and wearing clothes made of two types of fabric. Why are some biblical laws ignored and some followed? If you want to make sure to use Biblical reasons to forbid cannabis, you'd better check your clothing labels, cancel the lobster dinner and start asking where menstrating women have been sitting in public places. For those things there are explicive rules. Not for Cannabis.


You still didn't answer my silly question. You use marijuana for what reason? If it is to relax....Can God not provide that? If it is for insight? Can God not provide that?

As to what Art can do for me that God can't. Nothing. And I can not be an artist without God's involvement.
What can a good meal do for me that he can't. Nothing. It provides nurishment.
A good glass of wine. Nothing. I don't drink
A movie can entertain me can make laugh. So can God.
Art, a meal, a glass of wine, a movie a car my children etc. etc. are not mind altering drugs unless taken to the extreme and silly me just wouldn't do that. Anything in excess that takes your focus away from God is not what he wants from us.
You are looking for excuses to justify your use of marijuana. You want it to be biblical and God's drug made especially for you but it's not and you saying so just isn't going to change that. God did make something especially for all of us the HOLY SPIRIT. Try using it instead.

Heavenly Father,
I ask that you open the eyes of Ferre and Miora and others to your wonders that can make their lives satisfying without the use of anything that alters their minds. In Jesus name. amen


Posted by: akabezalel

- What can Art do for you that God can't?
- What can a glass of wine do for you that God can't?
- What can a good meal do for you that God can't?
- What can a movie do for you that God can't?
- What can a car do for you that God can't?
- What can your children do for you that God can't?
- What can your friends do for you that God can't?
- What can Jerry do for you that God can't?
- What can you do for yourself that God can't?


The difference, Ferre, is I can give up all these things and still worship God and never know a moments want, hunger or need, for my God will supply All my needs. This includes food, water, wine, children, Jerry, entertainment, friends, and myself...I can do nothing in myself, but, with God ALL things are possible for them who seek God. I can go without all these things and still have God and all that He is and what I am in Him. For me to live is Christ. I have never used recreational drugs, I have never needed them, I have Jesus in my life, that is all I need.

Nothing in my life can do for me what God does.

I will continue to pray for your salvation, Ferre, and your misled flock. And the salvation of you Moira.


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferre
Yes Dear Jerry, This we are very aware of also, but the sorcerer was one who used roots, herbs, and potions to CONTROL or influence the mind of OTHERS.



You made my point. Every durg altars the mind.

Thank You


Posted by: Ferre

Yes dear Jerry, Cannabis alters the mind. So does hours of praying, meditation and lots other things, including enlightment. It doesn't mean it would "focus one off The Lord" by any chanse whatsoever. I know people who found The Lord while they had used it.
The use of this herb doesn't make you a sinner, criminal, unresponcable or "off The Lord" at all. It shouldn't mean anything more then the occasional glass of wine.
I agree with every one who is against drug abuse, I also agree with the people on this board who stated that there are examples of abuse of this herb, and people who commited crimes while they have used it.

But you should also realise that it's not this herb is doing this, but "people", and according to the statistics, luckyly very, very few. People commit crimes also while they have been using Aspirine, the statistics on crimes while the criminal had used Aspirine outrate the stats for crimes commited on this herb enormously, and no one accuses Aspirine to influence those crimes becouse people on Aspirine "know what they are doing", right? Well, people "on cannabis" know what they are doing just as well! Being a criminal is in the personality of the criminal. It has nothing to do with the use of this herb.
The theory that cannabis use leads to hard drugs is a myth that is proven to be false in my country also.
people who use cannabis shouldn't be looked differend upon then people who drink a glass of wine. Many good Christians enjoy an occasional joint, big deal, that doesn't make them sinners any more then the ones who occasionally enjoy a glass of wine.
They don't need to be saved, no need for panic reactions, they are maybe your sweet neighbours and you don't know it.

akabezalel, I do not need it too, just as you say, we have *in theory* no need for anything but still you enjoy the pc you surf this board with and all those little extra things that make our life colorfull. Ease up man, you're not talking to addicted junkies here and I also don't need a moral lesson from you, you are not eating only bread with water are you? Do you own a tv? other things that you enjoy? so do other people and there's nothing wrong with that.
Some of you guys really seem to think we talk about heroin or crack here the way you react.


Posted by: Moira

Dreamweaver, you asked what can Marijuana do that God can't. Well, God made all things in this world and he made marijuana too. It's part of his design. We are discussing here whether it was in That design for us to ingest it (by any means) or not. Some of you think NOT. I think that whatever He has given us can be used, but should not be misused. You think that I am misusing. I think I am not. I also think that God CAN anything and if He wanted He could have cursed my weed a few posts ago. He didn't. (God can be our only food and nourishment Dreamweaver but we do have our little other entartainments too. Only a few Christians choose a life totally devoted to God with no place for mundane life)

Jerry, are you suggesting that I should not talk about myself here because I am setting a bad example? I won't talk about mysef anymore then. I am an educator and I am aware that people in general and children in particular are floaded with many different informations from all sides and that can be confusing sometimes. The few things I have told about myself here are real though and were never used to manipulate others. I am sorry if I have given you that impression.


Posted by: Dreamweaver

Of course, God made all of the plants on this earth. He made coca leaves, psychelic mushrooms, peyote, furmintation of fruits and vegetables for alcohol. He even made poisin ivy. He left it up to us how to use this plants and what to avoid.

I do not feel that your use of marijuana makes you a bad person. And yes I enjoy many things in life art, music. I am far from being the best Christian on earth although I strive daily in my walk with him. I am only trying to understand from the point of a former marijuana user why you still feel the need to use it. Many of my friends and my children use marijuana. I just don't see it enhancing any of their lives. I don't see where it ever enhanced my own. In fact I see it as a hindrance in their lives. Being on the outside looking in I see where it alters their their productivity and their judgement and I honestly believe that without the use of it their lives would be much richer. I used to be on the inside looking out too. Thank God that the desire for the use of it left me. Sorry, I can't understand where you are coming from as a Christian and continuing your use of marijuana but that is totally between you and God. I'm afraid I just can't be convinced that marijuana does any good at all for the people that use it. I don't think you're convincing God either.

Jan


Posted by: JG

Dear Moira:

1CO 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. 8:13 Wherefore, if meat (marijuana) make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh (I will smoke no weed) while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. Do you see you can replace MEAT with anything. The point Paul is making, if you are doing something, even if it is not a sin to you but, it leads others to sin, STOP, least you suffer the same loss.

Here the bible is talking about a simple meal and the consequence of leading someone to sin. How much more careful should we be about drugs. As I said before, if the drug dealer you buy the (marijuana) from sells any to some kids and they rape, kill or get into an accident their blood is upon you.

You are enabling the drug dealer to help other people to sin by the profit they make off your drug. Even if you grow it yourself you had to buy the seed from some one.

There is no casual sin.

When talking about drugs including alcohol God said:
LEV 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations: 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;

God does not want anything that would diminish your ability to tell the differenct between holy or unholy, clean or unclean.
This is why Ferre's arguments are soooooooo ludicrous. Being Jewish what he says is Laughable and almost painful at the same time because he understands so little about my people.


Posted by: Ferre

Quote:
This is why Ferre's arguments are soooooooo ludicrous. Being Jewish what he says is Laughable and almost painful at the same time because he understands so little about my people.


IF that was true, dear Jerry, you wouldn't have deleted and censored the prove of my arguments.

I am not arguing with you for this reason, it would be censored anyway. Please try to realize that "your world" is only a very small part of this planet and that for example in the part that I live in there are no "drugs dealers" envolved in this plant and it is totally legal to use or sell. according to government regulations of course, just as with any other product on the market.
and Jerry, it's very arrogant of you to think I wouldn't understand anything about "your people", I even understand "your kind of people" very well. And with "your kind of people" it has no use talking becouse they use un ethical means to prove they are right.


Posted by: JG

Thank you for your kind remarks.


Posted by: Ferre

Quote:
Thank you for your kind remarks.

You're welcome.


Posted by: Moira

Quote:
When talking about drugs including alcohol God said: LEV 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations: 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;


I had promised to myself not to touch this thread anymore. I couldn't resist though. Jerry, you (and the Bible) say that alcohol is forbidden as well... but didn't Jesus himself enjoyed the odd glass of wine? I am reading through the New Testament again. And I am not refferring to the Last Supper only, I am sure I read other references, many.


Posted by: StarChilde

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moira
I had promised to myself not to touch this thread anymore. I couldn't resist though. Jerry, you (and the Bible) say that alcohol is forbidden as well... but didn't Jesus himself enjoyed the odd glass of wine? I am reading through the New Testament again. And I am not refferring to the Last Supper only, I am sure I read other references, many.


Moira, I have heard quite a few lessons on the wine in the past 2 weeks. The best one from preacher Adrian Rogers.It is on Proverbs 23:29-35 called The Battle of the Bottle Part One and then Part Two(can be bought-- http://www.lwf*****/qrycustompg.asp?name=Schedule
it is tapes 1015 & 1016)

- There is a difference between what we perceive as wine,that is being fermented, and the wine being spoke of that Jesus drank...that is the fruit of the vine's juice. That is the difference with the wine Jesus drank of. Wine spoken of in Proverbs is that of fermented juice. from Strong's concordance Strong's Ref. # 3196
Romanized yayin
Pronounced yah'-yin

from an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication:
There is wine that is just juice from grapes.Pastor Rogers explains that even the grapes on the vine, when they are ripe and burst w/ juice, that juice is called wine! He explains it much better than I do though.
Besides if one is using this to justify smoking pot, pot is smoken for the high... why else smoke it? It alters the perception of reality! Do you truly think Jesus went about altering his reality by imbiding in wine to excess?
Something to think about.
Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;19. Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"
Drinking wine and drinking wine to excess and getting drunk with it are 2 entirely different things! The Bible says this many times! Plus you can drink a glass of wine, and not be drunk...you cannot say the same thing about smoking marijuana!


Posted by: StarChilde

As far as for Ferre's ministry spoken in this thread... I checked it out. It is a ministry, one glorifying marijuana, certainly not God.
from his site:
Quote:
The THC Ministry is based on ancient wisdom, modern science & the enlightening & healing properties of cannabis sacrament. Our mission includes liberating the cannabis hemp plant & the minds of those who do & of those who do not revere it. May we all enjoy the rich, abundant & awakened life that is part of our Divine inheritance

I cannot REVERE anything but God, and Christ Jesus. Your site says "we use marijuana religiously and you can too." also this "We all get spiritual thoughts once in a while, the use of cannabis is known to open the human mind for centuries already."
Yes, I agree the use of marijuana can open up the mind, to the influence of demonic forces... I am not speaking as of one ignorant of this weed... I smoked it "religiously",for many years, thinking there was nothing wrong with it. Let me ask this? What length of time can you go without smoking it? How long? How long before you get to craving it,thinking about it? Ask yourself that.I am not condemning those who smoke,but I do pray that God opens your eyes about how harmful it can be.See how long you can go without smoking,..see where it goes.
As for me, I praise and thank God, giving Him ALL the Glory for setting me free from cannabis sativa, marijuana-pot-weed, whatever name you want to call it.


Posted by: Ferre

I don't really have to add anything more then this here :

Quote:
A new study published in Nature Reviews-Cancer provides an historic and detailed explanation about how THC and natural cannabinoids counteract cancer, but preserve normal cells.
The study by Manuel Guzmán of Madrid Spain found that cannabinoids, the active components of marijuana, inhibit tumor growth in laboratory animals. They do so by modulating key cell-signalling pathways, thereby inducing direct growth arrest and death of tumor cells, as well as by inhibiting the growth of blood vessels that supply the tumor.

The Guzman study is very important according to Dr. Ethan Russo , a neurologist and world authority on medical cannabis: "Cancer occurs because cells become immortalized; they fail to heed normal signals to turn off growth. A normal function of remodelling in the body requires that cells die on cue. This is called apoptosis, or programmed cell death. That process fails to work in tumors. THC promotes its reappearance so that gliomas, leukemias, melanomas and other cell types will in fact heed the signals, stop dividing, and die."

"But, that is not all," explains Dr. Russo: "The other way that tumors grow is by ensuring that they are nourished: they send out signals to promote angiogenesis, the growth of new blood vessels. Cannabinoids turn off these signals as well. It is truly incredible, and elegant."

In other words, this article explains several ways in which cannabinoids might be used to fight cancer, and, as the article says, "Cannabinoids are usually well tolerated, and do not produce the generalized toxic effects of conventional chemotherapies.

Usually, any story that even suggests the possibility of a new treatment for cancer is greeted with headlines about a "cancer cure" - however remote in the future and improbable in fact it might be. But if marijuana is involved, don't expect any coverage from mainstream media, especially since mainstream editors have been quietly killing this story for the past thirty years.

That's right, news about the abilility of pot to shrink tumors first surfaced, way back in 1974. Researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institutes of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia.

The Washington Post reported on the 1974 study -- in the "Local" section -- on Aug. 18, 1974. Under the headline, "Cancer Curb Is Studied," it read in part: "The active chemical agent in marijuana curbs the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice and may also suppress the immunity reaction that causes rejection of organ transplants, a Medical College of Virginia team has discovered." The researchers "found that THC slowed the growth of lung cancers, breast cancers, and a virus-induced leukemia in laboratory mice, and prolonged their lives by as much as 36 percent."

"News coverage of the Madrid discovery has been virtually nonexistent in this country. The news broke quietly on Feb. 29, 2000 with a story that ran once on the UPI wire about the Nature Medicine article," complained MarijuanaNews.com editor Richard Cowan , who said he was only able to find the article through a link that appeared briefly on the Drudge Report Web page. "The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Los Angeles Times all ignored the story, even though its newsworthiness is indisputable: a benign substance occurring in nature destroys deadly brain tumors," added Cowan.

On March 29, 2001, the San Antonio Current printed a carefully researched, bombshell of a story by Raymond Cushing titled, "POT SHRINKS TUMORS; GOVERNMENT KNEW IN '74." Media coverage since then has been nonexistant, except for a copy of the story on Alternet .

It is hard to believe that the knowledge that cannabis can be used to fight cancer has been suppressed for almost thirty years , yet it seems likely that it will continue to be suppressed. Why?

According to Cowan, the answer is because it is a threat to cannabis prohibition . "If this article and its predecessors from 2000 and 1974 were the only evidence of the suppression of medical cannabis, then one might perhaps be able to rationalize it in some herniated way. However, there really is massive proof that the suppression of medical cannabis represents the greatest failure of the institutions of a free society, medicine, journalism, science, and our fundamental values," Cowan notes.

Millions of people have died horrible deaths and in many cases, familes exhausted their savings on dangerous, toxic and expensive drugs. Now we are just beginning to realize that while marijuana has never killed anyone, marijuana prohibition has killed millions.

Source: Sierra Times.com (NV)
Author: Steve Kubby
Published: November 07, 2003
Copyright: 2003 SierraTimes.com
Contact: oped**sierratimes.com
Website: http://www.sierratimes.com/

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Pot Shrinks Tumors - Government Knew in '74
http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread9211.shtml



Bless you all.


Posted by: Moira

God bless you Ferre Thank you for the news


Posted by: Dreamweaver

I have no doubt there are medicinal uses for marijuana. So, do you two have cancer? Or are you just getting high and claiming anything you can to justify it's use?


Posted by: Dreamweaver

I just checked both of your profiles and see that neither of you have ever posted one single prayer for anyone out there desperate for people to pray for them. This is a prayer board but yet you only came here to boast of your marijuana use and claim it is godly. If you were Godly people then you would be here praying for others. So, let's conclude..marijuana has absolutely nothing to do with God.


Posted by: chalfdozen

I have read this whole debat. I hear the real question as. Is using marajuana a sin? Well in my opinion any thing can be used as a sin. From food to cold medicine. I really believe God made every thing with a purpose. It's how you use it. There is no question marajuana has and will help some people but there is danger. Do you use it for the "high" or do you use it for another porpose? I know a veteren who becouse of the chemicales use at war has been skined alive literally{ and has alot of other problems also} and him and his docter have decided It works for them.
I also know a LOT of people use it to self medicate becouse they have no health insurance. I also know people miss use the drug for partying or as a fun thing to do.
God gave us free will and with that free will. We do wrong as well as right. I dont think you or I can say its a sin to smoke marajuana. That to me is up to the Father and our Lord Jesus to decide. As He sees the heart of a man.
As I see it you wouldn't take a heart patiant off his heart meds.Or tell a man that fought for you and my right to worship the LORD JESUS he is sinning because he smokes pot. That to me is a personal decision. It is between you and God.
I also believe I am not responsable for some one elses sin. If I cause them to sin thats one thing and being a bad example does not cause people to sin. It may justify it in there mind but you do have free will.
As for the question what does pot do for you the Lord can't? Absolutly nothing! I do how ever believe marajuana has been a gift from God to some.
There is not a thing in this word we can not do with out, But we all have to, have,love and want Jesus. To make sound and wise decisions in our lifes.
One more thing before I go. What does it matter if you have not prayed for any one on this board or prayed for 1,145 or all the people here. What matters is your hear. You will find the truth if you keep looking as the Holy Spirit will lead you. I just found this prayer board today and I have spent all day here praying & reading. It is now a part of my favorits.
Thank you dear Father for this board and all on it. I know you love us and will meet every need.
A sister in Christ My Lord.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Do you feel conviction from the Holy Spirit when you smoke it then its wrong..........and If you dont have Jesus in you ask Jesus to come into you...............now do you feel Jesus convicting you that it is wrong if not do not worry about it, if you feel him convicting you of it being a sin...just simply stop God bless move on....


Posted by: gwenith21

This is a very hard topic. Many people have many different views, and they are all formed based off that persons particular experiences with pot, whether it be the high they get on it or the effects it has had on people in their lives. Its not healthy thats for sure. Smoking anything isnt good for the body, and are bodies are a dwelling place for the Lord. I believe the argument that everything God created has a purspose and can be used for good or evil. If someone needs it for medical purposes then that is one thing. I dont think that is the question being asked here though is it? I am getting the feeling the question is "is it ok to use in moderation". HMMMMMMMM> I AM GOING TO PRAY ABOUT THIS.
One thing I think about pot is that it has a different effect on every person. One person can be totally bonkers on it, and the guy next to him just feels a little relaxed. Its a really meaty topic, with so many different angels. What should be looked at though is that its not healthy, it has caused a great deal of pain in many peoples lives, and it is addictive. Personally, I dont really have a set in stone answer. But I think this topic is a good one and I will be in prayer about it and be checking up on everyones responses to it. Lets all pray about this and ask for wisdom and insight from the Holy SPirit.
God bless all you!
HOlly


Posted by: Ferre

Quote:
In Exodus 30:23 we are told that the Lord said to Moses: 'Next take choice spices: five hundred weight of solidified myrrh, half as much - two hundred and fifty - of fragrant cinnamon, two hundred and fifty of aromatic cane ... Make of this a sacred anointing oil." (Plaut, p. 633) In the text, the Hebrew word for aromatic cane is transliterated as 'kana-besem'. The modern Hebrew word transliterated as 'kanabos' is translated as "hemp", the English word for cannabis. (Ben-Yehuda's Pocket English-Hebrew/ Hebrew-English Dictionary, p. 140)

http://www.betham*****/women/mm/studyguide.html


Ben-Yehuda is THE number one Hebrew language scholar on the last century.

Ben-Yehuda's Pocket English-Hebrew/Hebrew-English Dictionary, New York: Washington Square Press, Inc., 1964.

Jerry, the whole world recognises, becouse of all the prove found, that the Holy Anointing Oil contained Cannabis, there's no reason to denie this. It's a fact.

I am the last to say there are no people who abuse cannabis, every little thing on this earth gets abused by people, sadly enough. In many churches alcohol (a drug) is used as a sacrament (and called the blood of Jesus) In my church we use Cannabis as sacrament.

Read more : http://www.thc-ministry.net/cannabis-sacrament.htm

Bless you all.


Posted by: StarChilde

Others have greek/Hebrew translations also. Strong's concordance is recognized as one of the best translations also.My Bible says it is calamus, and not aromatic cane. Among what I got out of my Bible, and Bible Commentaries, there is also other references to what calamus is:
I let all read and interpret for their own selves, I feel the words speak for themselves.

-- King James
Exodus 30:23 Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels

Literal Bible with Vertcal Strong's
23.
|0000| And you
|3947| take
|0000| for yourself
|1314| spices,
|2896| the best,
|3910| myrrh
|5462| pure,
|2568| five
|3967| hundred of
|7076| and of cinnamon
|1314| spicy
|4276| its half,
|2572| fifty
|3697| and two hundred.
|7070| And of calamus
|1314| aromatic,
|2572| fifty
|3697| and two hundred.
Strong's Ref. # 7070
Romanized qaneh
Pronounced kaw-neh'
from HSN7069; a reed (as erect); by resemblance a rod (especially for measuring), shaft, tube, stem, the radius (of the arm), beam (of a steelyard):

KJV--balance, bone, branch, calamus, cane, reed, X spearman, stalk.
------------------
from Henry's concise commentary re: Exodus 30:22-38

22-38 Directions are here given for making the holy anointing oil, and the incense to be used in the service of the tabernacle. To show the excellency of holiness, there was this spiced oil in the tabernacle, which was grateful to the sight and to the smell. Christ's name is as ointment poured forth, Cant. i. 3, and the good name of Christians is like precious ointment, Eccl. vii. 1. The incense burned upon the golden altar was prepared of sweet spices. When it was used, it was to be beaten very small; thus it pleased the Lord to bruise the Redeemer, when he offered himself for a sacrifice of a sweet-smelling savour. The like should not be made for any common use. Thus God would keep in the people's minds reverence for his own services, and teach us not to profane or abuse any thing whereby God makes himself known. It is a great affront to God to jest with sacred things, and to make sport with his word and ordinances. It is most dangerous and fatal to use professions of the gospel of Christ to forward wordly interests.

From Jamiesson, Faussett,Brown Commentary:
23-33. Take thou also . . . principal spices, &c.--Oil is frequently mentioned in Scripture as an emblem of sanctification, and anointing with it a means of designating objects as well as persons to the service of God. Here it is prescribed by divine authority, and the various ingredients in their several proportions described which were to compose the oil used in consecrating the furniture of the tabernacle.
myrrh--a fragrant and medicinal gum from a little known tree in Arabia.
sweet cinnamon--produced from a species of laurel or sweet bay, found chiefly in Ceylon, growing to a height of twenty feet: this spice is extracted from the inner bark, but it is not certain whether that mentioned by Moses is the same as that with which we are familiar.
sweet calamus--or sweet cane, a product of Arabia and India, of a tawny color in appearance; it is like the common cane and strongly odoriferous.
24. cassia--from the same species of tree as the cinnamon--some think the outer bark of that tree. All these together would amount to one hundred twenty pounds, troy weight.
hin--a word of Egyptian origin, equal to ten pints. Being mixed with the olive oil--no doubt of the purest kind--this composition probably remained always in a liquid state, and the strictest prohibition issued against using it for any other purpose than anointing the tabernacle and its furniture.

34-38. the Lord said unto Moses, Take unto thee sweet spices--These were:
stacte--the finest myrrh;
onycha--supposed to be an odoriferous shell;
galbanum--a gum resin from an umbelliferous plant.
frankincense--a dry, resinous, aromatic gum, of a yellow color, which comes from a tree in Arabia, and is obtained by incision of the bark. This incense was placed within the sanctuary, to be at hand when the priest required to burn on the altar. The art of compounding unguents and perfumes was well known in Egypt, where sweet-scented spices were extensively used not only in common life, but in the ritual of the temples. Most of the ingredients here mentioned have been found on minute examination of mummies and other Egyptian relics; and the Israelites, therefore, would have the best opportunities of acquiring in that country the skill in pounding and mixing them which they were called to exercise in the service of the tabernacle. But the recipe for the incense as well as for the oil in the tabernacle, though it receives illustration from the customs of Egypt, was peculiar, and being prescribed by divine authority, was to be applied to no common or inferior purpose.


FOUND IN A PLANT BOOK
Family Acoraceae
Acorus calamus L.
sweet-flag
Acorus: the Latin akoron was the Greek name of an iris
calamus: ancient name for "reed"
Status: Introduced - naturalized
Plant: perennial erect to 6' semi-aquatic
Flower: 6 parted green spathe 8"-24" brown- flower; head 3 inch spadix; blooms Jun.-Jun.
Fruit: outside dry berry
Leaf: sweetly aromatic, crowded at base, sword-like; only midvein raised
Habitat: shallows,
Moisture: wet,

CALAMUS
Pronunciation: 'kalumus


Matching Terms: Calamus australis, calamus oil, Calamus penna, Calamus rotang

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/calamus
WordNet Dictionary

Definition: [n] the hollow shaft of a feather
[n] a genus of Sparidae
[n] perennial marsh plant having swordlike leaves and aromatic roots
[n] the aromatic root of the sweet flag used medicinally
[n] any tropical Asian palm of the genus Calamus; light tough stems are a source of rattan canes


Synonyms: Acorus calamus, flagroot, genus Calamus, myrtle flag, quill, shaft, sweet calamus, sweet flag

See Also: Acorus, bog plant, calamus, Calamus australis, calamus oil, Calamus penna, Calamus rotang, family Sparidae, feather, fish genus, genus Acorus, genus Calamus, lawyer cane, marsh plant, palm, palm tree, plumage, plume, rattan, rattan palm, rib, root, sheepshead porgy, Sparidae, swamp plant




Webster's 1913 Dictionary

Definition: \Cal"a*mus\, n.; pl. {Calami}. [L., a reed. See {Halm}.]
1. (Bot.) The indian cane, a plant of the Palm family. It
furnishes the common rattan. See {Rattan}, and {Dragon's
blood}.

2. (Bot.) A species of {Acorus} ({A. calamus}), commonly
called {calamus}, or {sweet flag}. The root has a pungent,
aromatic taste, and is used in medicine as a stomachic;
the leaves have an aromatic odor, and were formerly used
instead of rushes to strew on floors.

3. (Zo["o]l.) The horny basal portion of a feather; the
barrel or quill.

Easton Bible Dictionary

Definition: the Latin for cane, Hebrew _Kaneh_, mentioned (Ex. 30:23) as one of the ingredients in the holy anointing oil, one of the sweet scents (Cant. 4:14), and among the articles sold in the markets of Tyre (Ezek. 27:19). The word designates an Oriental plant called the "sweet flag," the Acorus calamus of Linnaeus. It is elsewhere called "sweet cane" (Isa. 43:24; Jer. 6:20). It has an aromatic smell, and when its knotted stalk is cut and dried and reduced to powder, it forms an ingredient in the most precious perfumes. It was not a native of Palestine, but was imported from Arabia Felix or from India. It was probably that which is now known in India by the name of "lemon grass" or "ginger grass," the Andropogon schoenanthus. (See CANE.)


sweet flag
n.
A hardy perennial herb (Acorus calamus) of the Northern Hemisphere, growing in marshy places and having grasslike leaves, minute greenish flowers borne on a thick spadix, and aromatic rhizomes. Also called calamus.

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Main Entry: sweet flag
Pronunciation: -'flag
Function: noun
cal·a·mus ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kl-ms)
n. pl. cal·a·mi (-m)

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See sweet flag.
The aromatic underground stem of the sweet flag, yielding an oil used in perfumery.
Any of various chiefly tropical Asian climbing palms of the genus Calamus, having strong flexible stems used as a source of rattan.
and used especially formerly as a flavoring agent and in folk medicine but now largely abandoned because of demonstrated carcinogenicity and toxicity in laboratory animals —see CALAMUS

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Exodus 3: 2325, Song of Solomon 4:14, Isaiah 43: 24, Jeremiah 6:2, and Ezekiel 27:19 are the only references to an unusual plant translated as "sweet cane", "calamus", "sweet myrtle" and in other ways indicative of the confusion over which plant is intended. The Hebrew word, qaneh, indicates a fragrant plant with an upright aspect.

The verses in the prophets (op. cit.) clearly indicate the value of calamus and the fact that it was widely traded with nations in Asia. Two plants have been suggested. The first is a widespread plant of wetlands in the northern hemispheres of both the Old and New Worlds, Acorus calamus L. (Araceae). The rhizome has a peculiar sweet, lingering aroma suitable as a "carrier" in a perfume. Motley (1994) suggests that A. calamus is the calamus mentioned in Exodus 3 for the anoint ing oil applied to priests and objects in the tabernacle. Milne and Milne (1967) state that A. calamus was found in the tombs of the Pharaohs but cite no reference. Acorus calamus is not listed in a modern treatment of perfumery (Calkin and Jellinek 1994) but is still used in medicine and cosmetics (Leung and Foster 1996).

The second candidate is lemon grass. These are species of the genus Cymbopogon (Poaceae), most likely C. citratus (DC) Stapf. although several species are widely grown in tropical regions for their aroma and flavor. As the oil of lemon grass can be sensitizing to the skin (Leung and Foster 1996), it seems a less likely candidate for the biblical calamus than A. calamus.

Song of Solomon 4:14 indicates that "calamus" was grown as a garden plant. Acorus calamus is a plant of wet areas, scarcely the setting of this garden and not native to Israel. This is easily explained by the fact that this is a poetic expression of fragrant plants, including those that are not native in the Middle East.


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