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Your prayers only last for 24 hours
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Posted by: cgirl
Should we post the same prayer over and over on all the prayer requests? Maybe I can type up a prayer and copy it and paste it all down the line to all the prayer requests? Am I taking too much time reading and responding to them individually?
Posted by: JG
I have to be off for the meeting but I want to leave you with this thought.
Did you know your prayers only last for 24 hours.
I will fill in the details after I get back about 2:00am
Jerry
Posted by: Frederik
Sounds interesting.
Posted by: akabezalel
ok...it is now 4:30ish in the AM...and you have my attention...enlighten us, O wise one! 
Posted by: StarChilde
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Originally Posted by JG
I have to be off for the meeting but I want to leave you with this thought.
Did you know your prayers only last for 24 hours.
I will fill in the details after I get back about 2:00am
Jerry
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I await the reasoning behind this... in the meantime, I ask God to protect this prayer board against ALL attacks of the evil one Satan and his minions. This includes supernatural protection against virii,trojans, bugs & worms of ANY sort sent to this site, or to the prayer warriors here!
-- King James
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I PRAISE YOUR HOLY NAME DEAR GOD,and lift it up on high...I thank you for this wonderful prayer site! Bless JG and his family, for the work they do for this site!
Posted by: Rachel R
Maybe we need shorthand for agreement with their request. Maybe 'Ditto'.
Maybe 'Me too'.
Is that a good suggestion?
What else could be used?
Posted by: Frederik
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Posted by: rsb8
anxiously awaiting the details....
Posted by: JG
Here are a couple of verses to think on
EXO 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:
He is the God of the NOW
He is not the God of yesterday
He is not the God of Tomorrow
Some people live in yesterday
Some people live in tomorrow
He is the God of Today.
MAT 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.
He commanded us to stop the fear we have about tomorrow.
He commanded us to pray for today.
LUK 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
LUK 9:23 ¶ And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Think on these for awhile and talk about them.
I will share more later
Posted by: wanderer
[Ok now the statement of 24 hours make sense. God does call on us to come to him all the time so it makes sense that you can't excpect him to be there on a part-time basis. Thanks for simplifying something for me. Sometimes I look too hard at meanings andmessages and I think God is really complicated but He is not. Keep up the good work JG. I really appreciate this site.
God Bless
Bev
Posted by: JG
Here is another thought.
When we pray for protection for someone.
When we pray for God to lead someone to His presence.
When we pray for God to heal someone.
Those prayers only last 24 hours.
When Joshua was in battle there were two startling events.
AAron and Hur had to hold up Moses's hands.
Hands up we were winning.
Hands down we were losing.
EXO 17:11 And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed. 17:12 But Moses' hands [were] heavy; and they took a stone, and put [it] under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.
Have you ever wondered why.
Johsua needed more time to win the battle Why
JOS 10:12 ¶ Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. [Is] not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
When a person is being prayed for God's justice demands he leave them alone when they ask to be left alone, unless someone had prayed again.
You pray God moves
They rebuke God and say leave me alone
God needs permission to bug them
They are not asking Him
And he can't see them because He says He hides his face from them.
So he can't go bug them again unless someone asks.
He needs another petition in heaven to show the devil he has a right to bother one of satans people.
Posted by: akabezalel
Did I just hear a collective moan go up from the intercessors when they thought about all the prayers that need to be said...again... for on going requests for the new day plus all the new prayer requests for each new day? I know I groaned when the thought hit me that what I was doing was inadequate.
How are we supposed to do what it is obvious we need to do?
Do I just lay hands on my computer and ask a generic prayer for everyone? That feels very mean hearted.
Do I just pick and choose which ones I repeat prayers over? Too much like Judging who is worthy. I already have to pick and choose who I pray for because there are so many!
Do we insist that people re-post their prayer request with updates? While this would be nice, it is impractical. And what about the person who was only able to get on line one time?
Praying without ceasing is not an easy task. How do we do it, Jerry?
Posted by: akabezalel
MATT.6:5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
No! to the short hand! That is unfeeling and just plain rude.
And there should be as little cut and paste as possible. I have been known to use the C&P method to pass on the same information but I always try to personalize the pray that is sent with the info.
If you do not have the time to type in a prayer, you should simply pray without posting or come back when you feel like praying in the posts.
Posted by: Frederik
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Originally Posted by akabezalel
Did I just hear a collective moan go up from the intercessors when they thought about all the prayers that need to be said...again... for on going requests for the new day plus all the new prayer requests for each new day? I know I groaned when the thought hit me that what I was doing was inadequate.
How are we supposed to do what it is obvious we need to do?
Do I just lay hands on my computer and ask a generic prayer for everyone? That feels very mean hearted.
Do I just pick and choose which ones I repeat prayers over? Too much like Judging who is worthy. I already have to pick and choose who I pray for because there are so many!
Do we insist that people re-post their prayer request with updates? While this would be nice, it is impractical. And what about the person who was only able to get on line one time?
Praying without ceasing is not an easy task. How do we do it, Jerry?
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Very good point.
I cannot pray for everybody I ever prayed for every day.
Simply praying something like this "Please God help all the people I ever prayed for" will also not do it, will it ?
And there are also other points which are still unclear. Does 24h mean 24hours or does it mean til the end of the day ? When I pray at 5pm will my prayer last until 5pm the next day or will it only last until the sun goes down ? And after all why does God create these complicated rules ? And why didn't Jesus mention this essential info ? If this is really true than many people pray less effective than they actually could.
Posted by: JG
As far as Cutting and Pasting goes.
Try and be led by the Holy Spirit.
No one is in a hurry.
Ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom.
He will let you know.
ROM 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities (the Holy Spirit helps our weakness and when we are in sin) : for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
Please be at peace.
No one person can carry the load.
We see the task here.
This little hospital room is very small
But God has trusted us with his people.
He knows we want to help in prayer
He certainly knows how big the job is.
Think how many prayers he gets in a day.
So this is just a drop in a bucket.
One small prayer given by the Holy Spirit through a humble servant can do more good than a thousand words that have been cut and pasted.
Although I do not see any harm in cutting and pasting some of the verses on healing, depression etc to encourage someone to read and feed on the word.
Remember "faith comes by hearing, hearing a word from God"
Posted by: Frederik
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Originally Posted by JG
As far as Cutting and Pasting goes.
Try and be led by the Holy Spirit.
No one is in a hurry.
Ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom.
He will let you know.
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But the Holy Spirit doesn't let me know anything. 
I feel like an alien cause all the other christians talk about things which I can't relate to. 
I wonder, will it ever change. Maybe I am sentenced to never hear anything from God. If I wasn't convinced that God exists I'd think that he doesn't exist.
Posted by: JG
That's not true my friend.
I have been watching you and how the Holy Spirit leads you.
I have been watching you pray for them
You are taking one baby step at a time.
But your prayers are powerful.
This I know also.
When I post a prayer I can always count on you to be there to pray with me.
There are many on this board who have posted hundreds of prayers but have almost never stood with us and prayed for the theings the Lord has put on my heart.
But Frederik you are always there.
Thank You
Posted by: Frederik
What do you mean you've been watching me ?
And how come that I don't feel the Holy Spirit ? Sometimes I don't even know wether I have him or wether I'm saved.
Posted by: JG
Have you ever wondered why Jesus prayed so much.
He was the Son of God.
He was God.
Yet he prayed so much.
Let's lake a look first at how much did this man pray.
A.******** *Jesus was praying while he was baptized
Luke 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, it
came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven
was opened,* Luke 3:22 And the Holy
Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove**
B.******** Luke (Jesus Prayed for 40 days)
4:13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from
him for a season.* Luke 4:14
* And Jesus returned in the power of the
Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the
region round about.
C.******** Jesus got up early every day to pray
*Mark 1:35 And in the morning, rising up
a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary
place, and there prayed.
D.******** He prayed alone
Matthew
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou
hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which
seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
E.********
Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any:
that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
F.******** Jesus went out alone to pray by himself many times
Luke 5:12* And
it came to pass, when he was in a certain city, behold a man full of leprosy:
who seeing Jesus fell on [his] face, and besought him, saying, Lord, if thou
wilt, thou canst make me clean.* ...Luke
5:16* And he withdrew himself into
the wilderness, and prayed.
G.******** He prayed all night
Luke 6:12 And it came to pass in those days, that he
went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to
God. *Luke 6:13* And when it was
day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also
he named apostles;
H.******** He prayed alone for at least 9 hours
Luke 9:14 For they were about five thousand men.
Matthew 14:23 And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a
mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.
Ha.********** Jesus prayed alone again
Luke 9:18 And it happened that while he was praying alone, the disciples were with him, and he questioned them, saying, "Who do the people say that I am?" 19 They answered and said, "John the Baptist, and others say Elijah; but others, that one of the prophets of old has risen again." 20 And he said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" And Peter answered and said, "The Christ of God." 21 But he warned them and instructed them not to tell this to anyone, 22 saying, "The son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised up on the third day."
I.******** Again he prayed all night
Luke 9:28* And
it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John
and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. style="mso-spacerun:
yes">* Luke 9:29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance
was altered, and his raiment [was] white [and] glistering.
J.********
Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
K.******** (Aorist tense).. Start praying and don't stop until the workers are thrown (ek-ballo) into the field
Luke 10:2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly [is] great, but the
labourers [are] few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he
would send forth labourers into his harvest.
L.********
Luke 11:1 And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place,
when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray,
as John also taught his disciples.* Luke
11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in
heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven,
so in earth.
La******** Again Jesus said be persistant
LUK 11:8 I say unto you, Though he will not rise and give him, because he is his friend, yet because of his importunity
(The quality of being importunate; pressing or pertinacious solicitation; urgent request; incessant or frequent application; troublesome )
he will rise and give him as many as he needeth. 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask (and keep on asking) (imperative persent tense), and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 11:10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
M.******** Persistant prayer, pray more than once
Luke 18:1 And he spake a parable unto them [to this
end], that men ought always to pray, and not to faint; ...Luke 18:3 And there
was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine
adversary.* Luke 18:7 And shall not God
avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear
long with them?* Luke 18:8 I tell you
that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man
cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
N.********
Luke 19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My
house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.
O.********* PRAY ALWAYS
Luke 21:34* And take heed to yourselves, lest
at any time your hearts be over charged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and
cares of this life, and [so] that day come upon you unawares.
style="mso-spacerun: yes">* Luke 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on
all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye
may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and
to stand before the Son of man.
P.*********
Luke 22:32 (Peter) But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Q.********
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he
shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
R.******** John
16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that
I will pray the Father for you:* John
16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have
believed that I came out from God.*
S.******* Matthew
21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall
receive.
T.******** Matthew
21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have
faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig
tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou
cast into the sea; it shall be done.*
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer,
believing, ye shall receive.
U.*****
John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou
hast given me; for they are thine.* John
17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that
thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
V.******** John
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe
on me through their word;
W.******** Luke
22:40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter
not into temptation. *Luke 22:41 And
he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and
prayed,* Luke 22:42 Saying, Father,
if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but
thine, be done.* Luke 22:43 And there
appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
style="mso-spacerun: yes">* Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he
prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood
falling down to the ground. *Luke
22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found
them sleeping for sorrow,* Luke 22:46
And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into
temptation
X.******** Matthew
26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all
they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. style="mso-spacerun:
yes">* Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my
Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Posted by: Frederik
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Originally Posted by Frederik
What do you mean you've been watching me ?
And how come that I don't feel the Holy Spirit ? Sometimes I don't even know wether I have him or wether I'm saved.
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Hm hm....
Posted by: rsb8
Frederik - I can relate completely to what you are saying, and I agree that it is difficult to KNOW that the Holy Spirit is speaking. I have always wondered and been in awe of those Christians that say that they have heard from God, or felt Him leading them. I have not experienced this with certainty, and have felt inadequate as a Christian as a result. I think if I look back at events in my life, I can see how I was led, but at that moment in time, I just don't have that assurance and conviction that I am hearing His voice. I do believe that God speaks to all of us in different ways, and I just keep praying that He will open my ears, because I want so desperately to hear from Him, and I feel so often that I am lacking in that respect. Know that you are not an alien, that there are others out there like you. I have to say, after seeing some of your prayers, and reading this from you, I am encouraged. It shows me that I am not the only one who feels that I am walking blindly in faith. The fact that you are here and praying for others tells me that you have a heart for God. May God give you peace. Ronni
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Originally Posted by Frederik
But the Holy Spirit doesn't let me know anything.
I feel like an alien cause all the other christians talk about things which I can't relate to.
I wonder, will it ever change. Maybe I am sentenced to never hear anything from God. If I wasn't convinced that God exists I'd think that he doesn't exist. |
Posted by: StarChilde
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Originally Posted by JG
...This I know also.When I post a prayer I can always count on you to be there to pray with me.
There are many on this board who have posted hundreds of prayers but have almost never stood with us and prayed for the theings the Lord has put on my heart....
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I understand that this is a place for prayer requests, and for ppl who have it laid upon their hearts, to pray for these requests, to give God praise here, and everything else that goes on here.
I want to say that just because I do not POST a prayer to requests, does NOT mean that I have disregarded that prayer request! Sometimes I don't feel my words are adequate enough to convey what it is I want to say,and pray...this is when I pray in tongues for the situation ...How can one post that?God knows I prayed, that is sufficient for me. At times I do feel led to post prayers...other times I don't post, but it doesn't mean I haven't prayed!
Posted by: Ragamuffin
Jerry, I have to be honest and tell you that when I first read your post, I was pretty angry, not just at you, but at a lot of things. I know that for myself, I set up a new prayer and wait for words to come from someone because I am without them myself, and I know that my prayers have been viewed, but there are no words. I, myself, have to believe that just because no one posted words, doesn't mean that I wasn't prayed for. If not, where would that leave me regarding this prayer board?
At first I felt the need to defend myself and why my time is limited, and then I thought, well, God knows, so I will suffice with that. But, here I am reading this again, and the comments that have come through, and I'm wondering, are you asking for us to post everywhere we read? over and over again? because then I must admit I am falling way short of what I should be doing, and that will continue because I have other responsibilities. Jerry, I have 3 kids, and although I am blessed to be a stay at home mom, I don't have a husband that keeps regular hours that helps me out with them. My day includes everything, every day, all the time. I have read "practicing the presence of God" by brother Lawrence and I find what he has to write a very good example of how to get through the day with God in mind. God knows the posts I've read, He knows that I bring them before Him, sometimes collectively, sometimes individually, but I trust God to know my heart and what I am trying to pray even though many times I fumble through. Is this wrong? I am confused and hurt.
Posted by: JG
Dear Rag:
Jan and I love you. We are so honored to have you on the site.
What are you so upset about.
All I said was
"Did you know that your prayer only last 24 hours"
People were talking about cutting and pasting the same prayer and I just thought we could have an interesting talk about prayer.
The purpose of the post was to open a discussion about how long and how effective are our prayers.
I then gave some bible examples
I then gave some verses to think about and talk about
Here are a couple of verses to think on
EXO 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:
He is the God of the NOW
He is not the God of yesterday
He is not the God of Tomorrow
Some people live in yesterday
Some people live in tomorrow
He is the God of Today.
MAT 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.
He commanded us to stop the fear we have about tomorrow.
He commanded us to pray for today.
LUK 11:3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
LUK 9:23 ¶ And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
I then said:
Try and be led by the Holy Spirit.
No one is in a hurry.
Ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom.
He will let you know.
ROM 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities (the Holy Spirit helps our weakness and when we are in sin) : for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God. 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
Please be at peace.
No one person can carry the load.
We see the task here.
This little hospital room is very small
But God has trusted us with his people.
The whole purpose is to learn some of the deep things of God.
My people perish because of lack of knowledge.
I really believe when we finish this thread it will be a great learning tool for many.
Now yes I personally do believe most prayers have a very short life span.
But as I said before we have a very BIG GOD and he only gives us what we can handle.
Did you read the post about how much Jesus Prayed?
Your Friend
Jerry
Posted by: Ragamuffin
oh Jerry, it's because I got distracted by the emotion running through the replies that I didn't give as much consideration to what you had written and what you were trying to tell me in those verses.
I get it now.
I'm sorry.
I agree with you, and I think that's why I have loved reading the book "practicing the presence of God" by brother Lawrence, because then I can do my mundane tasks to His Glory, even sorting those white socks are done to His Glory, while listening to praise and worship music. I write these things because doing them this way is the only way that works for me. I need to be in God's presence all the time, because as you have read earlier, you can see what happens to me when I am not.
continued blessings to you and yours...
Posted by: Frederik
I thought about this whole 24h thing and I cannot imagine that God is so fussy about things. I mean does God sit up there with a stop watch in his hand ? Oh, Frederik's latest prayer expires in 10,9,8,7 seconds...
I cannot imagine that. Why should God make it so hard for us ?
Why should he create rules which take away his own freedom of being set free by prayers ? If you set God free by praying for somebody and then he's got only 24h to do it ? This reminds me of an action movie.
Did God tell you this or was this your own interpretation, Jerry ?I don't wanna sound disrespecful, I just wanna say that one can interpret a lot from the bible and not everything is correct.
The bible also tells the women to cover their heads. Which christian woman does this ?
Posted by: JG
Goodmorning Frederik:
I just knew you would be here.
I've been watching you.
But don't get upset I count you as a friend.
Now my friend lets not get so upset lets see what God has for us.
On this 24 hour prayer thing. God does not have a stop watch in heaven. But he does say everything is new every morning.
This morning with you I want to take a look at some of the things we know about Jesus and the way he prayed.
We know he prayed continually because he only did what he heard the Father say. This shows us how intimate Jesus was in Prayer with the father.
JOH 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
When he prayed for the will of the father even if it ment his death. LUK 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Are we so surrendered to the will of God it matters not what he asks us to do.
We know he prayed earnestly. This shows how seriously Jesus took our salvation. HEB 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
We know that he had compassion This shows his love through prayer the ignorant and those in sin. HEB 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things [pertaining] to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: HEB 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; .....
We know he is able to save us by prayer: This shows us his commitment to us through prayer
HEB 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Chew on these for a while and I will get back to you
Jerry
Posted by: Frederik
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Originally Posted by JG
Goodmorning Frederik:
I just knew you would be here.
I've been watching you.
But don't get upset I count you as a friend.
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I'm not upset, sorry if it looked that way.
I also count you as a friend.
Posted by: JG
How close was Jesus to the Father
In Matthew 11:25-26 "Thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight." The Holy Spirit brings us on the inside of the relationship Jesus had with the father. This language shows us the realness of prayer to be not the mere expression of need and request for what is desired of God. The prayer gives us insight into the deeper experience of the Son with the Father, and how perfectly he was submitted to the Father's will. He even came with thanksgiving even for what might seem impossible. It shows us the truth that the highest form of prayer is found in the openess of the soul.
Posted by: JG
We know he prayed continually because he only did what he heard the Father say. This shows us how intimate Jesus was in Prayer with the father.
JOH 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
When he prayed for the will of the father even if it ment his death. LUK 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Are we so surrendered to the will of God it matters not what he asks us to do.
Posted by: jsustaita
God Bless you Jerry, I completely agree with you. God wants us to pray for today, tommorrow is another day. -Joe
Posted by: Dreamweaver
Hmmmm! This is good...very interesting.
I know that there are times I have been led to ask someone to keep us updated and times that I have gone back everyday and prayed until there was a breakthrough. Do we just have to leave it up to the person posting to continually seek prayers? Hmmm....... There must me a way that God wants us to do this or he wouldn't have led Jerry to share this with us.
Posted by: JG
Think about it now.
We pray for some one in sin.
God sends the Holy Spirit or an angel or a person to help them
They want help but do not want God.
So they say leave me alone.
God has to answer their prayer because they belong to satan until they get saved.
Because God is no respector of persons He has to leave.
His justice forbids him to go back without a request.
The devil is not quiting he is after them day and night.
Now if another saint prays for them then God again can go and encourage them to do it His way.
The choice is always theirs.
Do you think the devil stops just because we prayed once.
Jesus said pray and keep on praying until you get the answer.
I will talk about the morning and evening sacrifice later.
Please remind me
also the example of manna was prayer.
God us gather it in the morning and get just enough for the day.
You could not store up manna. It turned into worms.
When you came to the altar the next morning
All your work was noghing but ashes.
You had to clean the altar and start over new every morning.
Your manna turned to worms
Your sacrifice turned into ashes.
Posted by: Frederik
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Originally Posted by JG
Goodmorning Frederik:
I just knew you would be here.
I've been watching you.
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Jerry, could you PLEASE explain me what you mean with you've been watching me ? This is beginning to scare me. Do you have annointed eyes or what ?
Posted by: wanderer
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Jerry:
Have been pondering what you have posted in regards to the 24 hour thing. I know That God wants us to come to him daily and spend time with him. I know that if I pray for something I just don't do it once and think my good buddy God will take care of it. I have to come to him as a Father not as a friend. Just a quick question. How do we leave our prayers and troubles at the Cross as we are told to do, expecting some kind of answer from God if we have to do it again day after day. How do we move forward beyond doing God's work if we have to keep dragging these things through our day thinking because we did not get an answer today we have to ask again tomorrow. This would get very discouraging for some I would think and it would make some turn from God because we are not a patient people. People that are hurting need some kind of answer quick. They need to be shown a sign from God that their prayers are just not lost words. How do we tell people that God is listening to them but you have to do it day after day to refresh God. I just don't how to explain it. I can't wrap my mind around it. I am sorry.
I am not challenging just questioning. Keep Up the good Work
God Bless
Bev
Posted by: rsb8
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Originally Posted by JG
We know he prayed continually because he only did what he heard the Father say. This shows us how intimate Jesus was in Prayer with the father.
JOH 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
When he prayed for the will of the father even if it ment his death. LUK 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Are we so surrendered to the will of God it matters not what he asks us to do.
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So how do you know what the will of God is? What happens if you can't hear what He is saying to you? How can you tell that it is His prompting, and not simply your own desires? And does it show lack of faith if you continue to ask Him for the same things over and over again? I could relate so much to Frederik's resigning himself to never actually hearing from God. I admit, that when I am on my knees, or my face before Him, I end up refreshed, but I still generally do not have any more clarity in the direction I am to go, or what He wants me to do. At what point do you say, OK, God, I guess I shouldn't keep asking you for this, because I don't want to seem like a pest, and at what point do you say, God, I know you want me to be persistent, so I will continue to ask. I know with certainty that God exists, and I know with certainty I will be with Him one day in heaven, but I struggle so much with knowing with certainty that He is with me, because I feel so inadequate in being able to hear Him, no matter how much I beg and plead that He speak to me. I know I can never be as intimate with Him as Jesus was, but I want so much to be able to know with certainty that I hear His voice, and am going in the direction he wants me to go. It is frustrating to want so much to please Him, and do His will, and feel as though I have no idea how to do either....
Posted by: JeriRose12
Why do you think I keep praying "Do this NOW, Lord"? 
As to prayiang over and over, what about the widow that hassled the unjust judge? He gave her the ruling she wanted, because she drove him crazy. She refused to give up. Why should we give up? Our God IS NOT an unjust judge, but he was willing to use that example to encourage us that "men ought always to pray." (Sorry, I am not putting references in, but I don't have long to type this).
There are so many people on this site, and I know we are not all putting up new requests, so I was wishing we could get some buddies on these requests--someone we come into agreement with until we get a breakthrough. Not that I think Jerry was meaning these prayers would not be answered if we did not pray EVERY DAY on them. But I have noticed that some prayers get tons of prayers, while others get few. I was hoping this could be equalled out, even if it was only two people keeping that thread going. Sometimes, I just go find my thread and repost on it, so I can, hopefully, get a new prayer said for it. But just because we don't post on here, doesn't mean we aren't still praying. I pray for many of these needs ongoing, throughout my day.
I like what Larry Lea said aboiut Jesus. He went from one place of prayer to the next, with miracles in between. Who wouldn't want to have that in their life??? That is my goal.
"He who would love life
And see good days,
Let him refrain his tongue from evil,
And his lips from speaking deceit.
11Let him turn away from evil and do good;
Let him seek peace and pursue it.
12For the eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their prayers;
But the face of the LORD is against those who do evil.
(1 Peter 3:10-12)
~JeriRose~
Posted by: wanderer
I to am confused about all this. There are qestions going on inside my head about this. I was raised a certain way about asking for something over and over. I raised my kids the same way. I/they asked once. If an answer wasn't given we could inquire about it later. If we came my parents everyday with the same request, they would say no. They didn't want to be bugged. When is enough enough for God. I feel like if I ask for the same thing over and over, I am imposing on him. It is hard for me to keep asking. I feel like God is going to roll his eyes and say if He wanted me to have it I would of by now. I don't mean to be silly but I have a real hard time between my heavenly Father and My Earthly Father and far as dealing with them as Fathers. I group my Dad and God in the same pile and that is wrong but I do not know how to change it. Just my 2 cents. God Bless You All and May God Make Your Steps Firm.
Bev
Posted by: JG
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Originally Posted by rsb8
So how do you know what the will of God is? ....
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This is very interesting to me.
If you go back to the main section of "Jerry's lesson"
The 6th lesson
Knowing the Will of God
Please read it and then tell me what you think.
It is fun for me to see so much flesh dying here today.
Posted by: JG
Being stretched is so much fun.
Most of the time people think of praying as a check off list.
Then they can get to do the fun stuff of life.
Prayer is a relationship. There is a place you can go into Lord where all He has to do is look at you and you know what He wants.
PSA 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye. 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, [or] as the mule, [which] have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee. 32:10 Many sorrows [shall be] to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
How much time do you spend with God.
We must study Jesus as an example.
He got up a great while before day to pray.
He withdrew himself apart to pray.
He went into the wilderness alone to pray twice. He came back filled with the Holy Spirit and with Power.
He went into the mountain sometimes alone to pray
He went into the mountain all night and became transfigured.
He went into the mountain for 9 hours, the same amount of time for Paul and Silas. He touched the father there again looked like a light and walked on the water afterwards.
We talked to the Father every morning and set himself apart in the evening.
How great of an anointing do you want.
MAT 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day [is] the evil thereof.
Do ou think satan takes a vacation just because we prayed. If we are praying for someone in sin. All he has to do is wait for a new sin and lay claim to them. Remember he is the god of this world. He is pressing against the hedges and looking for an opening 24/7.
When Jesus said he prayed for Peter it also is in the imperative tense.
He was saying I prayed for your and contunue to pray for you until you are converted. He had the world on his sholdiers but he made time for Peter. He is making time for you right now because he ever lives to make intercession.
In this love relationship we sit down at His feet and love on Him
As far as this "Prayer Board" sit down with Jesus and ask Him to lead you/ As you read a prayer request ask Him what he thinks of it. As the words flow through your fingers know He is praying through you.
Sometimes my prayer are very long because Jesus just pours it through me. Sometimes they are very short. I just believe He is in control.
Jesus said "I can of my own self do nothing"
I do everything I see and hear the Father tell me.....
There are times of Praise.
Did you know almost every prayer Jesus prayed started with thanksgiving. He would say Thank you Father for what you have done and what you are going to do. Thank you for hearing me.
Now as to repetitive payer.
I did not write the bible the Holy Spirit did.
Jesus gave us the persistent woman and friend.
Jesus said ask and keep on asking. Present imperative tense.
Jesus said men ought to always pray and not to faint.
Jesus said give us the day our daily
Jesus said you must dye daily.
As it was with the manna in heaven he wants us to be in His presence daily.
What would have happened if Jacob just said to the angel bless me and went to bed.
What would have happened to the children of Israel if Moses had not stood in the gap and said take me not them.
What would have happened to Israel if Ester had not pressed in.
What would have happened to Israel if Daniel had not fasted 21 days.
What would have happened to Hannah if she had just knelt down and said I want a baby and got up.
What would have happened to Peter when he was in jail if the church had not been in one place praying continually for peter.
What would have happened to Paul and Silas if they stopped the first hour because they were in pain and not the ninth hour.
Oh my friends learn how to pray in the Spirit and it will bring more joy than you can imagine.
There is a lot more I want to share I just hope a few of you have read the whole post and understand what the Lord is teaching here.
Posted by: JeriRose12
I was just listening to Praise-a-thon on Trinity Broadcasting. Paul Crouch got a letter from President Bush. He was also recently in the Whitehouse with Franklin Grahmam, in a meeting with President Bush, who was saved under Billy Grahma's ministry. President Bush asks everyone who he knows is a Christian to pray for him. Paul and the crew prayed for him tonight, and I know what God is telling me: Pray for our President persistently. I have not done this , and I am feeling convicted. Also, there is constant unrest in Iraq, and our soldiers are being attacked. For anyone who is wondering about prayer, join me in praying for our president--every day!
Mark Chironna had an awesome word from the Holy Spirit: George W. Bush will be vindicated from the scourage of the press and God's Name will be vindicated, too!!!
These attacks on our president and soldiers are from Satan. If he is at work 24/7 in this way, shouldn't we be at work 24/7 to combat his plans? As Jerry said, this is how we invite God into a situation to influence it.
~JeriRose~
Posted by: JG
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Originally Posted by JeriRose12
I was just listening to Praise-a-thon on Trinity Broadcasting. Paul Crouch got a letter from President Bush. He was also recently in the Whitehouse with Franklin Grahmam, in a meeting with President Bush, who was saved under Billy Grahma's ministry. President Bush asks everyone who he knows is a Christian to pray for him. Paul and the crew prayed for him tonight, and I know what God is telling me: Pray for our President persistently. I have not done this , and I am feeling convicted. Also, there is constant unrest in Iraq, and our soldiers are being attacked. For anyone who is wondering about prayer, join me in praying for our president--every day!
Mark Chironna had an awesome word from the Holy Spirit: George W. Bush will be vindicated from the scourage of the press and God's Name will be vindicated, too!!!
These attacks on our president and soldiers are from Satan. If he is at work 24/7 in this way, shouldn't we be at work 24/7 to combat his plans? As Jerry said, this is how we invite God into a situation to influence it.
~JeriRose~ |