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Posted by: Frederik

Oh boy.
I am just reading a book by a german evangelist and I thought this book is really great, but now I find more and more pages on the internet claiming that he is a false prophet and that he actually doesn't even write his own books but he has a well paid ghost writer.
I have already read so much about this man and I never had expected him to be a false prophet and I don't even know wether these articles are correct but what if none of all his miracles are true ?
Many famous christians talk about miracles which happened, what if NONE of them are true ? Imagine that. I never doubted them cause these men seem so honest and godly but what if they're all lying ?
After all who can you trust in these times ? How to know wether a christian is real or a wolf dressed like a sheep ? Jesus said that the antichrist also will do lots of wonders.
I read a story of a nigerian pastor who had been dead for 3 days and then he was resurrected. It appeared quite real cause he was also examined by a doctor and stored in a morgue before he was resurrected after 3 days. There is also a dvd available which tells this story and also contains interviews of this resurrected pastor,his wife, the doctor who examined him and also other people.
It appeared very credible, I mean I just couldn't imagine that somebody made this up, but after all I've read I don't know what to think. Maybe the people which accuse evangelists of being false prophets are deceivers and maybe the evangelists are really men of God but maybe it's also the other way around. I have no clue what to think now.
Imagine you know a christian who talks about miracles which happened and which he witnessed and you believe this man and you'd never think of doubting what he says and then one day you find out that he has been talking nonsense ever since. I mean such an experience can break your neck and cause you to become an atheist. This is really terrible. I don't want to become paranoid, but is there anybody you can really trust these days anymore ?

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html

http://op.50megs.com/ditc/MARCH2002L.pdf

Posted by: cgirl

Hi Fred,
Yeah, I've seen that site too. I don't believe in ministries who's main purpose is to point fingers or looks for motes in peoples eyes. Oh yeah, my ministry is to point out other people's faults...

But to test the false from the true, look to the Word man. And remember all who live godly will suffer persecution (2Timothy3:12).

Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

You'll find in Galations 5:19-23 the works of the flesh and fruits of the Spirit. See which ministry has which for yourself.

Posted by: Soteria777

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Originally Posted by cgirl

Hi Fred,
Yeah, I've seen that site too. I don't believe in ministries who's main purpose is to point fingers or looks for motes in peoples eyes. Oh yeah, my ministry is to point out other people's faults...

I totally agree with you! I've been to sites that blast, accuse, browbeat, lie about, slander and totally disrespect most of the mighty men and women of God. I ask you, who IS the ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN???? It is SATAN and the SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST! Those sights make my stomach churn and that's when I know they are the spirit of antichrist! They speak AGAINST the ANOINTED ONE and His ANOINTING in men and women of God.

Some are less forward in their attacks. They APPEAR to be truthful in their approach ["I'm only sharing this information for your own good," they'll say]. Sometimes I've been on sites like this and for no reason [except the Spirit of God in me is setting off the alarms of warning], I'll feel very uneasy, sickly. And sure enough, if I continue to read the site, I will find their sleezy attacks.

Frederik: Trust God always to lead you. Look at the fruit of the attackers ministry. If they are accusing the brethren outright or underhandedly, they are still doing satan's work, whether they do it intentionally or not. Their 'fruit' stinks! I have watched the anointed, mighty men and women of God of today, seen their work and trust that they are doing God's will. I never witnessed them slander other preachers or point fingers of accusations. I've only seen them be loving, caring, generous, kind and forgiving. I am not believing they are perfect, I am saying they are doing God's will and it shows in their ministry's fruit.

As for the Nigerian who was dead for three days, I beleive that is true. I have the video also. Reinhard Bonnke is a wonderful man of God. So is Benny Hinn, Oral Roberts, Richard Roberts, and many, many others including Jerry Gaffney!!!

I used to get into a lather when I read what the accusers of the brethren wrote and got tired of the energy I spent on it. I rested in the LORD from then on and I don't listen to to accusers any more, whether they are on websites or friends or family members!

Posted by: Frederik

I don't know maybe the whol story of this man is made up and he gets money for this. I heard that this pastor has moved to Lagos and lives in wealth. If this is really true then it wouldn't shed a good light on him.
I don't know what to think.

I found this about Bonnke on the net. I don't know if it's true but I've read a couple of times that a few people died during his evangelisations.

(14) Reinhard Bonnke by Terry Arnold, Diakrisis Australia, Newsletter of TA Ministries Vol.2, No.15 March/April 2002
Reinhard Bonnke is a German Pentecostal evangelist with a large ministry mainly to African and European countries. His crusades feature crowds of hundreds of thousands. Miracles, healings and multitudes of 'conversions' are reported. On 6th October, 14 people were crushed to death in Nigeria when they attempted to rush the stage to try to touch Bonnke. The parents of one of the dead, a little baby girl, tried unsuccessfully to get the body to Bonnke hoping he would raise her from the dead. The family then did the next best thing and laid the body on Bonnke’s Mercedes Benz in the hope of the baby coming back to life. Apparently they were putting their faith in the ‘anointing’ of the faith healer. Yet Bonnke claims, 'When I step on a platform, often without any touch of mine the blind begin to see, the deaf to hear, the dumb to speak and the cripples to walk...Miracles happen as if copied from the Gospels and the Book of Acts'.

Posted by: Donm

Frederik - I don't talk about these things very often - because I don't like to focus on mudslinging and discrediting any other ministry. I choose rather to focus on the "good" things that are happening within the Body of Christ right now... there is an awesome move of God going on and I choose rather to be a part of that.

However, you will always find and hear people who are trying to discredit a real move of God.

I hear people all the time saying - “I don’t like all those Benny Hinns and Billy Grahams and all those big ministries. I just wish that God would tear them down.”

Well, one day I heard God say, “Donnie, the reason people speak that way is because they want to do what the big ministries are doing but don’t want to pay the price.”

Everybody wants what they have, but they don’t want to do what’s needed to get it! When you look at their life you don’t see them doing what the others had to do to get the anointing. It’s going to cost them everything and they aren't willing to do that. So, they do the only thing that they can and that is to try and discredit other ministries and bring them down to their level.

Lots of Christians want to do great things for God, but they do nothing. They are just talkers. They’ve just got a lot of vision.

I hear these people complaining about everything that everyone else is doing and not doing and wonder: “What are they doing? When is the last time that they won a soul to Christ? Are they really doing anything for the kingdom of God?

Some sound like they are - but as a once famous older woman in an advertisement said... "where's the beef?" In other words, where's the fruit of their ministries?

I believe that this is one of the cleverest (is that a word?) schemes that the enemy is using within the Body ... turn on one another... and get our focus off of him.

Frederik and others... it is time to get our focus off of one another and focus totally upon our righteous leader... Jesus Christ... and not be led around by hearsay - but be led by the Holy Ghost and into a "good" fight... and it is a good fight because as we unite together "as one" (by the way - this was Jesus' prayer to his Father in John 17) we win the battle ... because "greater is He that is within us, than he that is in the world."

Frederik - Look for the "good" things of God... I am sure that if you go "looking" you will find many lies from the enemy to deceive you and cause you to begin to "doubt" as you focus on them - isn't this exactly what the enemy wants us to do... "doubt"?

Because as we begin to "doubt" it opens the door for him into our lives.

However, look to the Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith... and He will lead us by the Spirit into all Truth!!

Posted by: Frederik

Thanks Don.
I just don't want to read books written by a false prophet.
But I also cannot imagine that he's a false prophet. At least his books are good and he doesn't teach false things. If he really is a false prophet then he had to lie in order to write correct things in his books. Why should he hold speeches about Jesus being the only way to be saved when he is a false prophet ? That makes no sense. A false prophet would try to deny Jesus or try to confuse people.

Posted by: mission03

One thing to look for is are souls getting saved. The devil definately dosen't want that to happen.

Posted by: cgirl

Let's look at what the Bible says a false prophet is shall we?

Hmm... What's the definition of a false prophet? 2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

So...does Benny Hinn deny the Lord like it says in IIPeter 2:1? No, he doesn't. So to me, that says he is not a false prophet.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Is everyone speaking well of Benny Hinn? Apparently not.

2Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Also about these ministries that point fingers should take a look at these:

Numbers 12:8-10 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to SPEAK AGAINST my servant Moses? And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them; and he departed. And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

2Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

So what then? Should we point the fingers back at those who point the fingers? Nosireebob...According to the Word, we ought to: 1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.

Amen?

Posted by: Tee

I do not consider it mudslinging or pointing the finger at other ministries or ministers when it comes to evaluating what they teach. We are supposed to check everything out according to the Word. There is nothing wrong in naming a person to expose what they teach. The apostle Paul himself did this.

2 Tim 2:16-18 v.16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness." Now look carefully at verse 17. v.17 "And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is HYMENAEUS and PHILETUS;" v.18 "Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some."

Paul actually called their names and exposed what they were teaching. Yes, there are websites that discuss the teachings of many ministers that we see on television in the Word Faith Movement. I agree with many things that they say about these ministers. As a matter of fact, I had already come to some conclusions before I even saw these websites. The majority of these T.V. ministers mainly preach on getting wealth rather than preach the gospel, which is Christ crucified. And all of them have somethong to sell - books, tapes, videos, cds. They want you to send them your money to support their ministry. But look at how they live. They're millionaires at the expense of their congregations and television audience. It's obvious all of the money people are sending is not going to air time. The Bible does teach that God will supply all of our needs, but there is a big difference between supplying our needs and making us rich. When did Jesus make anyone rich? The prosperity gospel appeals to our flesh. It focuses attention on "getting our money" rather than on Christ. Also there are many that call themselves prophets, and I guess they want us to accept their word just because they say so. Anyone can claim to be a prophet. And miracles are NOT an automatic sign that someone is from God. Let's look at Matt 7:15-23:

v.15 "Beware of FALSE PROPHETS, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." v.16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" v. 17 "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit." v. 18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit." v.19 "Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." v.20 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall no them." v.21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." v.22 " Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not PROPHESIED in thy name? and in thy name have CAST OUT DEVILS? and in thy name DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?" v.23 " And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: DEPART FROM ME, ye that work iniquity."

There are more serious things that they teach one should pay attention to, such as teaching that christians are little gods. I heard Creflo Dollar say this myself. He was not talking about being godly but that we are actually little gods. This is very serious. And he is not the only one. I no longer watch them. There's a website called deceptioninthechurch.com that goes into great detail than what I can say here on what these ministers teach. And it is not gossip or just peoples' opinions. They actually site the sources of these ministers. Check it out and then you can make up your own minds.

Posted by: Soteria777

1 Chronicles 16:22 "Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm."

Standing in judgement is being out of God's will and being an accuser of the brethren is aligning with satan. We are to pray for the brethren.

God will judge.

Posted by: jedijeb

We are not to be the final judge of the bretherin, that right belongs to Jesus, but we are to judge a judgement of discernment reguarding doctrine. Judgement is not prohibited by God for even Jesus told us to judge:

Joh 7:24 Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

but it is with the stipulation that we do it under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Also Paul speaks to our authority to judge:

1Co 6:2 Or know ye not that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world is judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more, things that pertain to this life?

but here still it is not a judgement as to condemenation but discernment as he later talks about here:

1Co 10:15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

where he tells us to use the Holy Spirit to help us judge if what we are hearing is truely of God or not. If we do not judge what we hear how can we decide what is of God and what is not. To blindly follow someone who claims to be of God without looking into what is being taught invites false doctrine into our beliefs.

1 Chronicles 16:22 "Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm."

This is a warning to not harm the prophets of God, but we must determine if someone is a prophet of God or not. If we defend a false prophet then we bring condemnation upon ourselves. We must be careful of both; falsely bringing accusations against someone preaching the Word, and also defending all who claim to be preaching God's Word even when they are not.

I can not attest to any of the preachers that have been talked about here because I have not listened to any of them, but I say that everything we do hear we must take to the Lord in prayer and search it out with the Holy Spirit to make sure it is of God.

As to what Tee said about ministers who have millions of dollars in their bank accounts and such. I do know that God can reward someone if He sees fit, but I also look at Paul who most would consider one of the greatest evangelist ever. Paul really never even had a home to call his own nor a large bank account, his riches were knowing and doing the will of God, the riches which we store up in Heaven where neither moth nor rust destroy. Then there is our supreme example in Jesus who never had a home of His own and spent most of His nights sleeping outside during His ministry. I do not however believe that money is one of the standards with which to judge if someone is a false prophet or not, but it can be a sign of how they are walking with the Lord. Both God and Satan can make men rich, how they got it and how they use it is a good indication of which gave it to them.

Posted by: Rockrz

Yes, we are EXACTLY like God. We are in God's class of being. God originally made man a little lower than Himself. Adam was exactly like God, only slightly lower (that's because the created can never be greater than the Creator)

Now, when Adam choose to sin (he was not deceived, Eve was) mankind fell below (subordinated himself to) a fallen angel, which made him very, very low.

But (Praise be to God!) when we become born-again, we are raised up to sit with Jesus is Heavenly places. We are now PART OF JESUS HIMSELF because we are IN CHRIST! (Jesus IS God, isn't He?)

We are new creatures that have never existed before. The problem here is that some religious, carnally minded people refuse to believe that we are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds, from the way sin conscience mankind thinks and lives to the way God Almighty thinks and lives, which involves being prosperous in every realm of human existence...which includes have money. (after all, the wealth in the world all belongs to Jesus now, and we're joint heirs with Him...I have a right to this wealth, so I can establish God's Covenant in the earth!)

Some folks are spiritual babies and if you warm their milk up a little, they're cry and ball & squall like the little bitty babies that they are. They cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God because these things are spiritually discerned (they're too busy looking at the way things appear in the natural, and going by religious, carnal, man-made traditions that cause the Word of God to be of no affect...where's they are concerned, not where I'm concerned!)

Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

2316 theos theh'-os of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very:--X exceeding, God, god(-ly, -ward).

Psalm 8:5
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, (God) and hast crowned him with glory and honor. (the word "angels" in this text is "elohiym", which is translated God everywhere else this word is used)

430 'elohiym el-o-heem' plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
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433 'elowahh el-o'-ah; rarely (shortened) >eloahh {el-o'-ah probably prolonged (emphat.) from 410; a deity or the Deity:--God, god.

Why shouldn't Reinhard Bonnke live in wealth? God has given it to him! A workman is worthy of his hire. All throughout the Bible, God has prospered him servants...those that have let him.

And, it's not at the expense of their "followers", because there's plenty of wealth in this earth to go around. The wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just, and it's all starting to come into the hands of God's people.

Just leave God alone, and let Him take care of His servants. If someone's heart isn't right before God and they continue in whatever it is that they shouldn't be doing, then God will take care of them.

Don't you think God has the ability to correct His servants? It's all those religious minded Christians that are going broke, that are a liability to the Body of Christ.

Men like Reinhard Bonnke are leading the way of the end times move of the Spirit of God, which is in direct conflict the thoughts and ideas of carnally minded religious men! It was just like this in Jesus' day...the only problems He had were with religious men that had no clue about what God was doing.

You'd think the Church would learn from their mistakes, but many of us haven't. This is why God is reaching out to the "un-churched" of this world because they have no carnal, religious background to cause them to not believe God, and move in the Spirit with Him!

Posted by: cgirl

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Originally Posted by Soteria777

1 Chronicles 16:22 "Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm."

Standing in judgement is being out of God's will and being an accuser of the brethren is aligning with satan. We are to pray for the brethren.

God will judge.

Amen sistah! Preach it! Testify!

Posted by: Tee

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Originally Posted by Soteria777
1 Chronicles 16:22 "Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm."

Standing in judgement is being out of God's will and being an accuser of the brethren is aligning with satan. We are to pray for the brethren.

God will judge.

Evaluating a person's teaching is not judging the person. We are supposed to check out everything by the Word of God. I have nothing against these televangelists personally. As far as their eternal destiny, that is God's job. All I'm saying is that to me, many of their teachings don't seem to be in line with God's Word. And as far as 1Chronicles 16:22 is concerned, the word touch in the Hebrew means to actually strike someone. It's referring to a physical attack. Look it up.

Posted by: Soteria777

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Originally Posted by Tee

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Originally Posted by Soteria777
1 Chronicles 16:22 "Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm."

Standing in judgement is being out of God's will and being an accuser of the brethren is aligning with satan. We are to pray for the brethren.

God will judge.

Evaluating a person's teaching is not judging the person. We are supposed to check out everything by the Word of God. I have nothing against these televangelists personally. As far as their eternal destiny, that is God's job. All I'm saying is that to me, many of their teachings don't seem to be in line with God's Word. And as far as 1Chronicles 16:22 is concerned, the word touch in the Hebrew means to actually strike someone. It's referring to a physical attack. Look it up.

I agree we are to test everything, to evaluate if what a person SAYS is the truth or not. That is totally different than evaluating the person. We can disagree and disgard false or erroneous teachings and we should. But there is no place for us to be an accuser of the brethren. No room for public slander, judgement, finger pointing, disrespect, criticism and such. As I said before, we must pray for those in error. If it's someone we know personally, we can speak to them in love and humility about it. I've been guilty of joining satan in accusing the brethren, but I am trying very hard to not do that any more. God knows who belongs to Him and who doesn't. He will deal with those who are His and are going off track. It's just a fine line between exposing false doctrines and teaching .... and accusations of the person.

Posted by: Rockrz

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many of their teachings don't seem to be in line with God's Word

What teachings might those be?

I'm curious...specifically, what teachings do you have a problem with that you claim don't line up with God's will (the Bible)???

This should prove to be very interesting....

Posted by: Tee

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Originally Posted by Rockrz

The almost constant teaching on obtaining wealth (When did Jesus or the apostles ever teach people on how to get rich?), the teaching that christians are little gods ( I am aware of what scripture they use for this teaching, I just believe they have a misinterpretation of it), speaking things into existence, what they call positive confession. When did the apostles ever speak their needs and desires into existence? We're supposed to ask in prayer and believe, but that is not the same as positive confession.There are other things, but it would take a lot of time. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, go to deceptioninthechurch
.com and check some things out for yourself. Then you can make up your own mind. It's not just people's opinions, they quote the ministers' teachings and give their sources. This will be my last response because this can go on and on and on. Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended at all by your curiosity. You have a right to be curious. I just know this can be a never - ending discussion. We all have our opinions and we just should keep studying and praying for truth.

Posted by: cgirl

Yes, I have read them and have made up my own mind. It isn't a constant teaching, they teach many other things. When we hear the gospel of Jesus and get saved, we don't hear the salvation message over and over again, we move on from there and learn more. And these televangelists, are they denying Jesus as Lord? No, they aren't. Also what about the reference in Numbers quoted earlier? They didn't "strike" Moses physically but they were judged.

Also, there's a lot of people that need prayer here Tee. Would you like to help pray for them?

Posted by: Rockrz

mmmm... let's see here... Jesus was rich (he needed a treasurer, and people were constantly giving Him money) He was known for giving money away.

In these last days, it takes a boatload of money to utilize all the media resources that we have at our disposal. These were not given to man to spread porno with... they were given to us to reach the world.

The Gospel is in fact free, but going out and preaching it isn't. There's plenty that can be done in this world with money. Besides, it all belongs to God, through Jesus Christ anyway. We have a right to it because we are joint heirs with Him.

Jesus is God, right? That being true, we are a part of God because we are in the Body of Christ. Jesus is the Head, and we are the Body! The created can never be bigger than the Creator, but we can, and are part of Him now. We are brand new creatures that never before existed, those of us who are born again.

Jesus Himself said (in John 10:34) that He said that we are gods.
This basically means that we were created just like God, in His class of being. God said so in Genesis 1:26.

I don't know what you're going to do with that, but I suggest that you don't allow carnal, religious thinking talk you out of humbling yourself to believing what God has made you to be. Romans 8:29 says the same thing, that we were predestinated to be conformed to the image of Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is in us, and we've been made to be one with Him. He's God, isn't he? The Church has denied some basic foundational principles of what Jesus has done for us for too long.

And confessing what God's Word promises us is wrong? What would you be confessing? The lies of the devil? Don't tell the Apostle Paul that this is wrong, because this is what He preached! Don't tell James either, he had a lot to say about what we should be saying.

There's only two sources of information in this universe....God, and the devil. It's much better to confess the truth about yourself, than to confess the lies of the devil (like I'm sick, I'm scared, I'm broke, I'm whatever....)

Sure there has been a little mis-use of this, when people confess that they want "things" for their own personal use, without any regard for that "things" are here for, which is to support the preaching of the Gospel around the world. Anyone mis-using this will find that it isn't going to work for them.

The way you get is by giving! Sure I need my own needs met, and there's not a thing in the world wrong with living in a very nice house (paid for in cash) and having a very nice car (pickup for me, thank you!)

But, our first priority has to be obtaining wealth to establish God's Covenant in the earth! (see Deuteronomy 8:18. We are the descendants of Abraham, so yes this applies to us today...well, some of us. Those of us that choose to believe it, and act on it)

If you'll notice in Mark ch.4, Jesus said the sower sows the WORD. That would be GOD's WORD. It also says that the devil comes to take away the Word that was sown, which is obviously what happens to alot of people that hear this. They just cannot accept it because it sounds too good to be true!

But, let's analyze this for a moment...how did you get saved?

You heard God's promise that Salvation was available. Then you claimed it as being for you when you decided you wanted to get saved (you had to of, otherwise you wouldn't have thought it would work for you)

Then, you obeyed Romans 10:10 and confessed Jesus as your Lord and Savior....I guess that makes you part of the "Name it Claim it" crowd. Congratulations! You got saved using the very same principle that some folks have realized would work in every area of life, that you are putting down and claiming that they are a "cult".

Colossians 2:6
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him
Romans 10:8
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach

Jesus got what He said, and we're told by the Holy Spirit (through Paul) to imitate God! (see Ephesians 5:1)

And on that website that was recommended...I wouldn't waste my time going over there to listen to a bunch of man-made, religious hogwash! Those guys are too dense to "see" what God's trying to get across to His Children!

This applies to these kind of folks:

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

What these guys are missing is seeing things from God's point of view (you do know we've been given the mind, which means the understanding, of Christ...right? see 1 Corinthians 2:16, and Philippians 2:5)

The whole reason God created mankind was to have someone like Himself to fellowship with...someone in His class of being that desired to love Him as an act of their own free will...someone He could show forth His wonders to and for....

God wants us to be just like Him! He speaks, and believes, and it comes to pass! The same works for me because I base it off of what God has already promised me, and what He has already given me.

2 Peter 1:3
According as His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

Notice it says "through the knowledge of Him"? In order to see this, you have to KNOW Him, which means to be a part of, to interact with, to become one with.

This is God's dream for man....is to be just like Himself!

Posted by: pickone

I asked the Lord, if I could post something here, and He showed me that I could.

God asked man in Genesis why he was hiding. Man said it was because he was naked. God said, "Who told you you were naked?"

In the beginning, Adam and Eve were clothed with God's glory. The the tree of knowledge of good and evil enters the picture. Eve was deceived and sinned. Adam was not deceived, and sinned anyway.

Also, Jesus turned to Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan." Jesus was speaking to the "knowledge" Peter thought He had. He was addressing the spirit, not the flesh. He didn't say, "Get behind me, Peter."

Jesus gave His life so that all flesh might be saved. He paid for all of us. He also said, "Let he who is without sin among you, cast the first stone."

I used to judge, now I forgive. After the Lord's Prayer it says, "For if we do forgive not men their trespasses, neither will our heavenly Father forgive us our trespasses."

We can tell whose voice is speaking to us (even in our own minds). You will know the voice by its fruits. If it gives us peace, love, joy--well, this is like God. If it gives us condemnation, self-hatred, rejection--this is the destroyer.

Jesus stood in front of the Church Elders and claimed to be the Son of God. They laughed at Him. They Hurt Him. They made fun of Him. They nailed Him to a cross. They decided that He was an imposter.

How acceptable would Moses be today, if he took a fiery brazen serpent and nailed it to a post, planted it in the middle of the city, and told all the people that if they got sick, all they had to do was look upon this serpent and they would be healed?

Moses did do that. Jesus even spoke about it. The Holy Spirit guides each one of us and He can do ANYTHING HE WANTS TO DO through any one of us, anytime He wants to. He is God.

Posted by: Rockrz

You bring up a great point, which is: how would any of the great men of old that we read about in the Bible be accepted in our churches today? How would Jesus, Himself be accepted?

Sadly, the answer is not many.

But, Glory be unto God, this is changing...more and more each day.
God is coming back for a GLORIOUS Church. One that is without spot, or wrinkle.

There are many among us that are going to be very supprised at the revelation that will be revealed in the last days. It's already starting, and it's anything but religious!

The devil is pouring out his worst, and God is pouring out His best!
Watch for the FIRE (God's Glory) that is already starting to manifest upon the Body of Christ.

'Ol slewfoot has problems....serious problems...

Posted by: Soteria777

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Originally Posted by pickone

I asked the Lord, if I could post something here, and He showed me that I could.

God asked man in Genesis why he was hiding. Man said it was because he was naked. God said, "Who told you you were naked?"

In the beginning, Adam and Eve were clothed with God's glory. The the tree of knowledge of good and evil enters the picture. Eve was deceived and sinned. Adam was not deceived, and sinned anyway.

Also, Jesus turned to Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan." Jesus was speaking to the "knowledge" Peter thought He had. He was addressing the spirit, not the flesh. He didn't say, "Get behind me, Peter."

Jesus gave His life so that all flesh might be saved. He paid for all of us. He also said, "Let he who is without sin among you, cast the first stone."

I used to judge, now I forgive. After the Lord's Prayer it says, "For if we do forgive not men their trespasses, neither will our heavenly Father forgive us our trespasses."

We can tell whose voice is speaking to us (even in our own minds). You will know the voice by its fruits. If it gives us peace, love, joy--well, this is like God. If it gives us condemnation, self-hatred, rejection--this is the destroyer.

Jesus stood in front of the Church Elders and claimed to be the Son of God. They laughed at Him. They Hurt Him. They made fun of Him. They nailed Him to a cross. They decided that He was an imposter.

How acceptable would Moses be today, if he took a fiery brazen serpent and nailed it to a post, planted it in the middle of the city, and told all the people that if they got sick, all they had to do was look upon this serpent and they would be healed?

Moses did do that. Jesus even spoke about it. The Holy Spirit guides each one of us and He can do ANYTHING HE WANTS TO DO through any one of us, anytime He wants to. He is God.

I just HAVE to say after reading Rockrz and pickone posts....AMEN AND AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PREACH ON!!!! You GOT IT!!!!

Posted by: Sweetie39

Hello,

You trust God and only his word, test everything with scripture "everything:! He gave us his word, look anything up and if it is not there go away from it!

I was just reading about Paul this might help you

2Corinthians 11:13---

God Never sent those men at all; they are phonies: who have fooled you into thinking they are Christs apostles. 14..Yet I am not surprised! Satan can change himself into an angel of light, 15.. so it is no wonder his servants can do it too. and seem like godly ministers. in the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve.

All I can say is Keep you eyes open and Test everything with the word!!
I mean everything! If they don't have a Scripure for it Turn around and run!! Because they have something Evil to hide!!!
God Bless you

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Originally Posted by Frederik

Oh boy.
I am just reading a book by a german evangelist and I thought this book is really great, but now I find more and more pages on the internet claiming that he is a false prophet and that he actually doesn't even write his own books but he has a well paid ghost writer.
I have already read so much about this man and I never had expected him to be a false prophet and I don't even know wether these articles are correct but what if none of all his miracles are true ?
Many famous christians talk about miracles which happened, what if NONE of them are true ? Imagine that. I never doubted them cause these men seem so honest and godly but what if they're all lying ?
After all who can you trust in these times ? How to know wether a christian is real or a wolf dressed like a sheep ? Jesus said that the antichrist also will do lots of wonders.
I read a story of a nigerian pastor who had been dead for 3 days and then he was resurrected. It appeared quite real cause he was also examined by a doctor and stored in a morgue before he was resurrected after 3 days. There is also a dvd available which tells this story and also contains interviews of this resurrected pastor,his wife, the doctor who examined him and also other people.
It appeared very credible, I mean I just couldn't imagine that somebody made this up, but after all I've read I don't know what to think. Maybe the people which accuse evangelists of being false prophets are deceivers and maybe the evangelists are really men of God but maybe it's also the other way around. I have no clue what to think now.
Imagine you know a christian who talks about miracles which happened and which he witnessed and you believe this man and you'd never think of doubting what he says and then one day you find out that he has been talking nonsense ever since. I mean such an experience can break your neck and cause you to become an atheist. This is really terrible. I don't want to become paranoid, but is there anybody you can really trust these days anymore ?

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html

http://op.50megs.com/ditc/MARCH2002L.pdf

Posted by: Rockrz

The people the Apostle Paul is talking about are the carnally minded, religious men that teach you that God doesn't want you to have anything, and that He's "testing" you with carwrecks, cancer, and various other forms of destruction.

He's warning us about people who work in union with the enemy by putting up websites such as DeceptionInTheChurch.com, not about people that teach us that God has provided absolute Victory in every area of our lives.

Some people think and teach that God is stupid! They teach that God has changed because He doesn't do miracles anymore, and they teach that "you just never know what God is going to do", and they teach "you can never understand God" . . . .

The reason they cannot understand God is because they are spiritually deaf! They can't hear what the Spirit of the Lord is saying unto the Church through the written Word of God. These people think that God doesn't speak to His people about how He operates.

These same people don't believing in the infilling of the Holy Ghost, and therefore have not received the full ministry of God's Spirit into their lives, which is why they can't see very much.

The Spirit of God leads us into all TRUTH, and gives us vision to see & understand like God sees, and understands.

It's people that are stuck in the ruts of religious, carnal thinking that have no clue about what God is doing in the Church because they are lead by what they feel and see, instead of being lead by God's Spirit based upon the written Word

These people are always broke, they're always dying early from something, they're always getting into depression . . . all because they have a serious lack of knowledge and they lack vision (the ability to see spiritually)

It's sad to say, but these folks are basically spiritually bankrupt.
About all most of them can do for you is get you saved. Anything beyond that, they have know clue about what to do, and can't help you.

They are but babies is Christ. It's my prayer that they will grow up and mature in the Lord, and learn to walk with God and be in agreement with what the Lord is doing in His own Body.

Posted by: jedijeb

Rockrz,

I am trying to see the things that you are saying, many of them make sense but I have trouble with a few. I can't find in the Bible where it says that Jesus gave away money, would you guide me to the verses which show this? The other is when you say that if we are living completely led by the Holy Spirit we should not be touched by Satan and I like that but I can't seem to get around this passage of scripture concerning that:

2Co 12:7 And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch.
2Co 12:8 Concerning this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he hath said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my power is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my weaknesses, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

If God would not take away the messenger of Satan from Paul after he asked God to take it away, was Paul just lacking faith? I need to know these things before I can see things totally in your light. I hope you can help me with this. I am testing all with the word and am getting stuck on a few things. Thanks

Posted by: Pure In Heart

This was always a difficult one for me....weeding out the "false" from the "truth".....this is where great wisdom knowledge and understanding comes into play....all of these things create discernment.

The fact is, many are in it for the money and notoriety. God is being put on stage as a cheap circus act, and this will soon fall to the ground, and the false teachers and prophets will be exposed, and their true motives will be reavealed.

This will devastate many who have followed the man and not the Spirit of Truth.

Gods true church is beginning to take form, meaning the church the way God intended....a unified church operating in the five fold ministry, Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Pastor and Evangelist....

This will be a quick work......Love you all, Kathy