Eternal Security is it of God
Can a Christian Lose their Salvation? Can you lose your Salvation? Can I lose my Salvation? Read the whole lesson before you make up your mind.
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EXO 32:32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book

DEU 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst: 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven..

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"Eternal Security" is also known as "once saved always saved," or "perseverance of the saints." In other words, once someone accepts Christ as their Lord and Savior, there is nothing that he or she can do to separate himself/herself from God, and they will always be saved. This is a false doctrine. The following passages show, without any doubt, that those who believe in Christ can fall away if they do not practice righteousness.

Bible texts that refute "eternal security"
Bible Text	Description Of Blood Bought Believer	Description Of Sin	Description Of Believer After Sin
Ezekiel 3:20; 18:24-26	righteous	turns away, commits iniquity	die in sin
EZE 3:20 Again, When a righteous [man] doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. EZE 18:24 ¶ But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 18:25 ¶ Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?18:26 When a righteous [man] turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
Matthew 25:1-13	took lamps and went to meet Christ	5 were foolish	"I do not know you"
Matthew 25:14-30	Christ's own slaves	hid talent	wicked lazy, cast into outer darkness, weep & gnash
Luke 8:13	receive word with joy, believe	temptation, persecution	fall away
LUK 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luke 9:62	put hands to plow of kingdom	looked back to former life	not fit for kingdom
LUK 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Luke 12:42-48	steward in charge of Christ's servants	beat slaves, drunkenness	cut in pieces, assign with unbelievers
John 15:1-6	branches	does not abide	thrown away, dried up, burnt
JOH 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Acts 4:32;5:1-11	of those who believed	lied to Holy Spirit	God struck dead
Acts 8:9-24	Simon the sorcerer believed, baptized, received HS	offered money	heart not right, wickedness, gall of bitterness, bond of iniquity
Acts 20:17,28-30	elders, shepherds of church	false doctrine	drawn away
Romans 11:13-23	wild olive, grafted in v17, stand by faith V20	unbelief, not continue V20,22	not spared, cut off V21-22
ROM 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: ROM 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee. ROM 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. ROM 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
1 Corinthians 9:26-27	Apostle Paul, But I keep my body in subjection: least.. I myself should be a castaway.	body not slave	Paul disqualified
1 Corinthians 10:1-12	standing (feel they are saved) V12	immorality, crave evil, grumble,	fall V12
Galatians 2:11-14	Apostle Peter	false doctrine, hypocrisy	Literal Greek "stood condemned" V11
Galatians 5:4	severed & fallen indicates previously joined and standing	seeking to keep OT	severed from Christ, fallen from grace
GAL 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Amazing you were in grace now you lost grace. You were saved now you are not.
Galatians 6:1	restore indicates once saved	caught in trespass	needed to be restored
GAL 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
1 Timothy 1:18-20	Hymenaeus, Alexander: shipwreck indicates they once sailed good.	rejected faith and good conscience, blasphemed	their personal faith shipwrecked, delivered to Satan
1 Timothy 4:1	fall away indicates once saved	false doctrine	fall away from faith
1TI 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Timothy 5:8	passage addressed to Christians	doesn't provide for family	denied faith, worse than unbeliever
1TI 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
1 Timothy 6:10	passage addressed to Christians	love of money	wandered from faith, pierced selves with pangs
1TI 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
2 Timothy 2:16-18	Hymenaeus and Philetus: gone astray indicates once correct	False doctrine: resurrection past	gone astray, upset other's faith as well
Hebrews 3:12	brethren	evil, unbelieving	fall away from God
HEB 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Hebrews 4:1-2,11	brethren, addressed to Christians	unbelief, disobey	short of God's rest, fall
Hebrews 6:4-8	once enlightened, tasted heavenly gift, partakers of HS, Bible & powers to come, renew indicates restore to former cleanness	sin	fallen away, can't renew, crucified Christ again and put in open shame
Hebrews 10:26-31	received knowledge of truth. no longer remains indicates they once had forgiveness	sinning willfully	no forgiveness of sin, fearful judgment
Hebrews 10:38-39	God's righteous, Christians	shrinks back	God has no pleasure in him, destruction
James 5:19-20	brethren, Christians	strays from truth, sin	soul will die in sins, sinner
JAM 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; JAM 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 5:8	Christians	sin	devoured by devil
1PE 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
2 Peter 2:1	Christians, "among you" had been bought by Christ	false prophets	swift destruction
2PE 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Peter 2:20-22	escaped defilements of world by Christ, entangled again, returns to mire indicates they were once untangled and clean, known way of righteousness, had washed	entangled, overcome, turned away, returns to vomit/mire	last state worse than first, better they never had became Christians
2PE 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2PE 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2PE 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Peter 3:17	beloved, Christians	carried away,	fall from own steadfastness
2PE 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2 John 8-9	Christians, have accomplished	not abide in doctrine, false doctrine	lose, no reward doesn't have God
2JO 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 2JO 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Revelation 2:4-5	Christians in Ephesus	left first love	fallen, lampstand removed
REV 2:4 Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. REV 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Revelation 3:5	Christians in Sardis	deeds incomplete	are dead
REV 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 3:16-17	Christians in Laodicea	lukewarmness	spit out of Christ's mouth
REV 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. REV 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Topical organization of scriptures that refute "Eternal Security"

Parable of sower: Mark 4:16 (Luke 8:13), "And in a similar way these are the ones on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy; (they believe for a while) and they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately they fall away." Fallen from grace passage: Galatians 5:4, "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." Pruning passages: John 15:5-6, "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch, and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

Romans, 11:19-23, "You will say then, Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in. Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again." Hebrews Passages: Hebrews 6:4-6, "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame."

Hebrews 10:26-27, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries."

Hebrews 10:38-39, "Now the just shall live by faith: ; And if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him. But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul." Doctrinal Apostasy passages: Acts 20:17,28-30, "And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called to him the elders of the church...I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them."

1 Timothy 1:18-21, "fight the good fight, keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander"

2 Timothy 2:16-18, "But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some."

1 Timothy 4:1, "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons"

1 Timothy 6:20-21, "O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called knowledge-which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith."

2 Peter 2:1, "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."

2 Peter 3:17, "You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you fall from your own steadfastness."

2 John 8-9 "Watch yourselves, that you might not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son."

Moral Apostasy passages: 1 Timothy 6:9-10, "But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith, and pierced themselves with many a pang."

2 Peter 2:20-22, "For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, A dog returns to its own vomit, and a sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

James 5:19-20, "My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth, and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death, and will cover a multitude of sins."

Revelation passages: Revelation 2:4-5, "'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 'Remember therefore from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you, and will remove your lampstand out of its place-unless you repent."

Revelation 3:5, 'He who overcomes shall thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels."

Revelation 3:16-17, "So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 'Because you say, I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing, and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked." Old Testament passages: Ezekiel 18:24-26, "But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die. Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die."

Other scriptural arguments that refute "Eternal Security"

The fact the Bible exhorts to faithfulness proves one can be lost:

1. be "stedfast, unmoveable" (1 Corinthians 15:58).

2. "For if these things be in you" (2 Peter 1:5-11).

3. "we shall reap, if we faint not" (Galatians 6:9).

4. "be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life" (Revelation 2:10).

5. practice these things and God will be with you (Philippians 4:9).

Man has a free will: Joshua 24:15, "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." The Bible clearly prophesied some would fall away: Acts 20:28, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

1 Timothy 4:1, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;" Christians are to restore the fallen: Galatians 6:1, "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."

James 5:19-20, "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

Your name can be blotted out of the book of life:

Exodus 32:32-33, "Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book."

Deuteronomy 9:14, "Let me alone, that I may destroy them, and blot out their name from under heaven: and I will make of thee a nation mightier and greater than they."

Deuteronomy 29:20, "The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven."

Psalms 69:28, "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous."

Revelation 3:5, "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." After God forgives your sin, you can lose your salvation by not forgiving others:

Matthew 18:23-35, "Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."

Thank You Jerry for posting this. I was loosely raised Southern Baptist and when I got Baptised by the Holy Spirit and joined an Assembly of God church, Eternal Security was the HARDEST issue to let go of! I did not want to face an eternity without God and the possibility of losing that security for myself or my children still makes my stomach churn. I have come to accept it as truth after a long hard battle with it. It still scares me.

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Thankyou Jerry for making this post. It really spoke to my heart. I know these things are true,

Heavenly Father, I pray for all of us on this website that we will come to know these true principles in our hearts and minds and be firm and stedfast in keeping Thy commandments and watch and pray always that we are no deceived by the adversary and become careless, thinking we are saved and need not worry. I pray for enlightenment for every soul that is led to this site and make an intercessory prayer for their salvation and that they will come to know Thee and continue to repent every day and strive with all of their might, mind and strength to live the commandments every day. I ask this in Jesus Holy Name amen.

I agree Pastor, it comes down to freedom of will per person. While God declares no man shall pluck him out of His Hand, that doesn't mean we can't choose ourselves to fall away. There have been peoprts in the last few years showing the numbers of people from leadership roles to lesser ones in religions, leaving the faith. Many getting involved in well known practices of witchcraft. 'Nough said. Thanks Pastor. God Bless!

After reading your article on Eternal Security I became acutely aware that all the scripture quoted in the article, were never accurately translated. One must look at the whole context of the verse including tense, who was speaking and the circumstances surrounding the so called verses refuting the doctrine of Eternal Security.
As we as believers all agree, the Bible DOES NOT contradict itself. Therefore we must read the whole Bible with guidenance from the Holy Spirit in order to accurately interpert the meaning of each verse.
I point out one critical verse in the Gospel of John, Chapter 3 verse 16. Where in this verse does Jesus give any conditions for maintaining ones Salvation? Another is in John 5:24 which must be read with very much caution in order to accurately comprehend what the Lord is saying and in what tense He is referring.
Another example of our Security is in John 10:28-29 where the Lord states that no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's Hand. How can any "man" snatch himself out of His all powerful hand? It is impossible.
Yes, with all due respect to all of those who believe that they can loose their salvation, re- read all the scriptures that seem to say that one can lose there salvation, and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth and these verses will suddenly become clear and you will realize that the Weslyan Doctrine of Salvation is very much in error.
I do agree that when believers backslide, they will suffer the same consequences as an unbeliever and they will also loose thier rewards in Heaven but their souls will not be sent to torment. In John 19:30, Jesus utters His last three words before giving up his spirit, "It is Finished". At that moment in time ALL sin past, present, and future, was washed clean for all those who put their trust in and believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour. 1 John 5:13 states the following:
"These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may KNOW that you have eternal life".
Did the writer add any conditions to this verse that would lead anyone to believe that they could or can lose their salvation? No!
Again, I say, does the Bible contradict itself? Again the answer is no.

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Most assuredly,I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God...John 3:3

Oh my friend I hear your heart and feel your pain and concern. But God did not make a mistake with the verses above. To say all these verses do not mean what they say is interesting. When the bible says

men who have gone astray from the truth
You can not go astray unless once you were in the way

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith
They can not fall from the path unless they were on the path.

wandered away from the faith
You can not wander unless you were in

having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, A dog returns to its own vomit,
You can not turn away from something you were not in.

I will not erase his name from the book of life
Jesus Himself said He will erase some names out.

I do feel your pain but God always gives us free choice.
Why else would God ask us to confess sin.

You have on scripture for this. It defies the justice of God.



This is the banner verse for universalism.
IJohn said confess your sins.
Then God will forgive and cleanse.

If your understanding of "It is finished" was correct you would never have to confess and ask God to forgive you of any new sin.

I ask all of you to read the verses above and realize this is a two way love relationship, not just a one way from God to you.

A simple understanding of the Atonement and the Justice of God is
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

No where in the bible does it say God forgave your future sins.
That is why we must confess our sins.
No where in the bible does it say there is a different seperation for Christian sinners and non-Christian sinners.

When Jesus said it was finished he was saying all we have to do is come to Him now for forgivness not kill a lamb.

Every Jewish person knew this. Sin was very expensive. You had to offer a lamb for a sin offering and another lamb for a thanksgiving offering.

That is why we have 1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Otherwise there is no need to confess.

Remember what the Lord said:
Deu 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
You must overcome to keep your name in the book.


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This is one of Pastor Jerry's great lessons in my view with great need. I hear many say from time to time, that their loved one is wading in sin, but that they "were saved" at some time past. No one can be saved in their sins whenever it was they confessed to know Jesus. It can all be given away and sold for a mess of pottage. Thanks for this sermon Jerry and just want to circulate it on the board again from time to time...

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how come you didn't address John 10:27-29? Where it says that "no man can pluck them out of the Father's hand" and "they shall never perish" (He is talkin about His sheep who He knows and hear His voice.) If you are saved you are in the Father's hands. no one can pluck you out.....doesn't that include yourself?

Read 1 Corin.3:11-15 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; andthe fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


This is a quote from your comment. "Jesus Himself said He will erase some names out."[u][i]I would like to how you come up with that. You can't just say that since Jesus said He wouldn't blot out someone He means that He'll blot out someone else. That's kind of like putting words in His mouth.


I'm just looking for answers on the issue of salvation. I don't know what I believe about salvation yet, so i'm trying to find answers. Please don't take offense to anything I wrote and I apologize if you did.

Do Eternal Security
Proponents Really Believe
in Eternal Security?

Dan Corner (Evangelical Outreach)

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but only without additions, alterations or omissions of any kind,
including the author, ministry name and address at the end.]

An interesting concept comes up when one ponders what the non-Calvinist eternal security proponents believe about babies dying. They believe all babies that die go to heaven. They primarily base that on 2 Sam. 12:23. [In contrast, Calvinists believe non-elect babies that die go to hell. In other words, they believe in infant damnation.]

For the non-Calvinist eternal security proponent, that same baby that would have gone to heaven if he died, when he gets older and sins, needs to be saved (or born again) because he is now on the road to hell. Hence, that saved person at baby age, later in life lost his salvation and needs to get it back or into hell’s fire he will be thrown.

With this in mind, the eternal security proponents don’t really believe in eternal security as they adamantly teach, but they have never come to realize this fact. Again, the once heaven-bound person becomes hell-bound and needs salvation, in their own theology.

A Second Area

A final thought: It is also a fact that many eternal security proponents show they reject eternal security by their opposition to people such as us, who oppose their teaching, when they say we are unsaved. We have often heard over the years that we are unsaved merely because we reject eternal security. Hence, they are contradicting their own belief system because if we ever once had a true moment of faith in Jesus and became Biblically saved, then we are still saved regardless what we later believe about various issues, including eternal security. They cannot logically say we are unsaved because we oppose eternal security, for their own theology won’t allow it.

That same concept can be carried over to those who convert over to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism or Catholicism. The eternal security proponents cannot logically say the people in such groups are unsaved because of their present heretical beliefs, for if such ever had a true moment of faith in Jesus before becoming a Mormon, Catholic, Jehovah’s Witness, etc., then they are still saved. For them to say otherwise is to logically deny their own doctrine.

GOD BLESS YOU.

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..."I Pray You, show me Your glory!"
---Exodus 33:18 (NASB)

Dear neon-

You are quite astute at picking up on what I spoke of. But, what you may not realize is, God was speaking of no other person can pluck a Child of God out of His Hand.

What you had missed is Pastor Jerry's explaination that is clearly stated by Scripture, that the person themselves, not someone else removing them, can choose to walk away from God on thier own.

I pray this helps-