Hello everyone-

Yes, while discussions do take up some time, you can be sure the Early Church Leaders discussed what writings of past Leaders were to be accepted as the "Canon of Scripture" for the New Test era.

There is nothing wrong with it, and we have been striving to show, at least for the most part, wether this is Scriptural or not.

We must keep in mind, younger Christians who have less understanding of God's Word need guidance just as Nicodemus saught Christ for about Salvation when Christ discussed that with him, and needing to explain what He had stated so Nicodemus could understand.

As God has called each of the Moderators to help here thru Pastor Jerry, we are not only to pray for those in need, but also discuss God's Word in light of questions for young Christians as well as the lost, for better understanding of God's Word.

And we, as prayer warriors and helpers here, are required to seek God's Word for answers and also be in prayer for the Holy Spirit, who will lead us to all Truth, to share God's Truth as we are guided, for those seeking answers.

No, some answers we will not know either, but, the fact remains reading God's Word and being in prayer are essential, which is why I posted as had above.

God declares in His Word that the Holy Spirit who will lead us to all Truth, will both confirm God's Word and confirm Christ. Therefore, there is no other authority in existance to get guidance from. Thus, since these manifestations are not found in God's Word, they certainly then, cannot be of God, or His Word would no doubt confirm such manifestations.

I will say this as well- Even tho discussions can be of considerable benefit, it must be realized, when proof has been given of being of God or not, as with seen here, the discussion should be then finished, as the answer has been reached. As there is no sense in discussing what others, who want to follow false beliefs, manifestations and the like think, when proof has been shown it is not of God and they are not to be believed or followed anyway as God declares.

Yes, God speaks of a great out pouring of His Holy Spirit in the "Last Days" showing signs and wonders. Yet, does He declare there would be signs and wonders not found in His Word? NO. Therefore, these signs and wonders will be in accordance with His Word or they will not be of God. Really quite simple people.

Thank you for your time. God Bless!!!

christian commando, now i have a question that you have brought up where i have been confused or taught wrongly.

If you say that all manifestations of the lord and his holy spirit will always be written in the word of the lord, that brings me to a question that i have heard many different responses about. i would like as all others to know the truth but have not found it in the word as of yet.

some of us have experienced holy laughter. i have saw i think one scripture maybe on this. also being slain in the spirit there is a scripture or two on it.
but there have been other manisfestations that either i have witnessed or saw on christian tv or heard about but have not saw them in the written word. so i take it you are saying that if there is not a written scripture concerning this manifestation, then it is not of god.

this is good to know as well as frederik wanting to know as well for i have never heard this preached or taught this but it does make absolute sense. is there scripture on the manifestation of the gold dust and i know there are others but they do not come to mind at this time? as i said, this is good to know and it is true that if it does not line up with the word of god then it more than likely isn't! i guess we always need to judge all matters according to his word and not go by what man says. if it is not in the scripture, then it cannot be of the lord!

thank you for sharing that with us as i am glad to know that and wondering how i could have been so blind to this very obvious truth that you have just posted as it is very simple now that you have brought it up!

this is enlightening to know and hopefully as you said should be the end of this discussion or we all should seek the word now for some of the really weird manifestations we have all seen or heard about, one or the other!

i went one time to a church where young people were all over the altar on their hands and knees and barking like dogs!! this truly disturbed me and i could not get out of that church fast enough!

is there any scripture anywhere christain commando that would line this up with the written word for i don't think i have ever come upon it! that is just "one" of the weird manifestations that i have witnessed or heard about!! due to time and space i will not mention some of the others ones that have seemed really weird and off the wall completely!

thank you for this imput and truth! be blessed!

also another one, what about people's teeth with cavities being filled with gold fillings in a service? i have never actually experinced this nor saw it but i have heard of it happening more than one time.

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Crystal (Chris) Logan







This is my commandment, that ye love one another as i have loved you.

Why would it not be Biblical to laugh in the Spirit? We need read no further than "The fruit of The Spirit is love, JOY ...." Also, "A merry heart does good like a medicine....and "The JOY of the Lord is my strength." Joy and merriment speak of laughter.... and I have had such a joy of the Spirit overwhelm me that I have begun to laugh.

I believe I have also seen fake laughter. I have seen someone walking up to others and telling them they should be laughing....and they laid hands on them in a way where they seemed to be co-ersing them to laugh. THAT is spiritual witchcraft. But if I am in fellowship with The Lord and I am overwhelmed with joy and I begin to laugh....

Back to what needs to be most emphasized here: We need to stop seeking AN EXPERIENCE. We are an experience oriented generation, and that is not going to cut it when we are being tempted, etc. As Jerry said, "We need some people who have the stuff!" -- not just those who have some kind of wow in the Spirit. "The stuff" is not an experience. "The stuff" is an uwavering love for Jesus Christ and obedeicne to His Word. we need those, who will follow God through ANYTHING He may take them through, whether they have the feelings or not. We are not always going to have feelings, and we need to get used to it. We need to quit seeking feelings and experiences (I was in this trap not so long ago), and start SEEKING GOD. It's like a marriage. If that couple doesn't feel a thing, they still need TIME together, and lots of it. One doesn't just spend time with one's mate because one FEELs the romantic feelings. One spends time with them because they love them. I have to spend time with God when I feel it and when I don't.

It is good to ask questions, in the sense of "I truly want to know if this is of God, because I don't want to be doing something wrong." But if the asking is because one is seeking an experience, then we are no longer focused on HIM.

Again, these threads can be long and take up a lot of time and energy....and I find so many more responses in here than in the prayer threads. If we just type long paragraphs of what we think about it or aren't sure about it or what we think we don't know about it....well, you get my drift....we haven't answered the question.

I have heard of the gold dust, been in meetings with people who have gold teethe, etc., but what it all comes down to is if we can not find it in the Bible, we can't really answer the question. So....I encourage others and myself to really get back to what is most needful: Make Jesus our first love, read His Word, do the works we did at the FIRST the Bible says.... Jesus had this against that church: that they had forgotten their first love and were not doing the things they had done at the first. Do what the Bible says is key to our success as Christians: read the Word, obey the Word, pray without ceasing, don't forsake the assembling (regular church attendance)....etc. Also, Paul said he desired to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified and, so knowing about these "manifestations" is in no way necessary. The Gospel once delivered is constantly emphasized in The New Testament, and this is so simple: Christ crucified for our sins, died and rose again for our justification. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe less is more, and maybe I have over emphasized the point. But I heard a sermon, once, called, "You need Jesus," in which Jesus was presented as the answer to any and every problem we might have. And it is JESUS we need to turn our attention to. Whether we ever see gold dust or not, Jesus is SO beautiful, that we could look into His riches eternally and NEVER get enough! I pray that all of us may desire to see HIM and not worry about gold dust.

~JeriRose~

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Father, I pray for America to have a Godly president. Proverbs 29:2 says the people rejoice when the righteous thrive. According to Proverbs 6: 16 & 17, you hate those who shed innocent blood (those who are pro-abortion). So, Lord, we pray that a RIGHTEOUS person may be our President. Whatever it takes! In Jesus Name, amen.

For a reference of "laughing in the Spirit", check out the part of King Saul's story, where he'd sent several people after David to kill him. Once they had reached a certain point, thier countenance was changed and began laughing etc.

Now, there are "laughing" ministries which are not of God, who take this out of context to such things. Laughter can happen these days by the Holy Spirit during services etc, but must be kept in context to God's Word. secondly- an animal ministry had also been going around for a time, where people, during the service, would be overcome by the Holy Spirit and start acting like animals. This tho, remember, is based on a curse of God over King Nebecaneezer located in Daniel, for disobeying God.

Lastly- Please let all of us understand rightly here of God. There is no place for arguing or debating. Remember, we are to be peace makers, not trouble makers. We are to be representatives of Christ, not of satan. Satan is the author of confusion, of strife, of envy and more. We are not here to do such things. But for peace, understanding, love, joy, patience, temperance and more.

Discussion is therefore of God, but not arguing or debating. Subjects should not be brought about, if the intention is to cause arguments or debating. Discussions bring about learning and growth, therefore advancement in a Child of God's relationship with God. Arguing and debating, which are defined as attempts to prove another view wrong, is not Biblically correct before God.

Follow the same ways in which Christ and the apostles shared God's leading of them sharing with others. That is the Biblical and Godly way to approach subjects as children of God.

God Bless!!

Do you know what makes me sceptical about all these new manifestations? Simply that they are new. Has there been collective laughter in the spirit in any christian church before the whole Toronto stuff started? I don't think so. And this is exactly what makes no sense to me. It's as if something new starts somewhere in a church and then it sweeps over to all other countries like a wave of new manifestations as if God was up there constantly inventing new things which then spread all over the world. I think this makes no sense at all. Let's say in one church in the USA there is a no manifestation for example making a handstand in the spirit then the christians would hear about it and it wouldn't take long and the wave would reach the UK and Europe and suddenly all christians would be making handstands in the spirit. This seems really strange to me. If something is from God why should God come up with new things? If it's not in the bible why should God do it today?

Dear Frederik,

Why God would do something new, something he had never done before,

It seems to me that he is and always will be a CREATOR!

New things will always come from him.

This internet we are on is because information was released from him and into the earth.

If God wants to send new ways to draw, touch or influence people, where is the downside in that?

Nothing is going to appeal to everyone.

Should God hold back what he wants to do for fear that people who are already saved and secure in the Kingdom will be a little offended?

Everyone could release God to do whatever it takes in their life to move even ONE lost soul toward salvation.

Now THAT would be new!

I think God loves to show up and demonstate
HIS LOVE...
HIS MERCY...
HIS GRACE...

Rachel R

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Chris Logan and Frederik-

For over 25 years, people who know me, had believed I have the Gift odf discernment. I won't claim that myself, as I've been in fervent researching of all topics and subjects asked of me all that time. I researched God's Word as well as secular info for the most complete understanding from God, I could return to them.

Yes, even secular info. Why? Many never spend the time to really look at alot of it, to find God was behind the recieving of it, for the fact it proves His Word in many cases.Example, all the archeological digs in the Middle Eastern region. How many finds have actually proven God and disproved secular beliefs?

But, this was known thru it coinciding with God's Word, not from some accepted belief outside of the boundaries of His Word.

Secondly- I have investigated alot of documented proofs to show how many a revival had started with God, but eventually got more infiltrated and tainted by satan. Not all, but enough I've seen this with.

as for teeth being filled with gold fillings... Not of God. God healed a couple bad teeth I had years ago, but not with fillings, but full healing and restoring of them.

I have also seen a number of Churches go under completely, to barely coming back, but now stronger than ever, from false revivals or doctrinal beliefs brought in from outside people or groups that decieved the leadrship into accepting thier false beliefs or teachings.

Fact is, God gave us His Word, as was written, that others might believe. He gave It to us, as It is profitable for proving and reproving doctrine. To show man his sin, plus much more.

We need to keep in mind, God's Word is the ultimate Authority over all else. That we can know what is of God as according to His Word.

A True child of God was terribly rideculed and ostersized, even by other Christians, when at one moment, when a little girl rode out into the street in front of a moving vehicle and got killed, the man never tried to save her, even tho had time to do so.

The man's answer why not? He claimed God had told him, it was this little girl's time to die.

But, can we claim the man lied, when God declares- "its appointed unto all men once to die? That He declares He has a time and purpose for all things? That Christ declared we are not to linger on the past or worry for the future, but think only of our purpose for each day we are living?

It was to show us, no one but God only knows when anyone living, shall die. Thus, we need to concentrate on our lives during the day we are living and not let past or future thoughts distract us from being an open vessel for God at any given moment.

I pray this helps-

God Bless!!

i can appreciate what you are saying C.C. and sense where you are coming from. But i know we are all called to be ministers of the word and the Lord. all whom have been born of the spirit of God and are called by his name for this is what the word of God says.

Whether it is to be ministered to on any prayer board or to minister to others. that is "all" of our calling especially to reach the lost and those the lord says is the least of these.

it is man that gives titles and names but the lord says we are all kings and priests and if we are a child of the king of all kings, we all have a calling and ministry on our lives and if we are confident in our salvation we are to go forth in that calling and ministry no matter what man may say or do to us. we are to fear god and no man and be bold and confident in our calling.

I would guess pastor Jerry would have some experiences from all the revivals and ministry he has done concerning signs and wonders and miracles. I imagine he has seen anything and everything manifest which could be considered false and real; or of god or of satan. maybe he will address this subject what his belief is and scripture concerning this, after all he is the administrator of the board and i am sure he has been a part of some of these manifestations we have been discussing and he would have an imput concerning this. i myself, would be very interested in what he sees and knows to be scripturally true and to tell us of some of the manifestations he has witnessed.

but i do not have to have another tell me when the lord has given me or others a gift or a miracle even though i am much aware that satan can mimick the signs and wonders from the lord and even the very elect can be deceived the word of the lord says.

We all should know our specific calling or callings and not need others to tell us what that calling is, the lord through his holy spirit will reveal to us and he will confirm that by 2 or more witnesses.

when we become spiritually mature (not meaning how many years we have been born again of his spirit) we hopefully will come to the place to where we know, and we know and we know without a doubt what is holy and what isn't.

God has given many of his children the gift of discernment and it is not necessary to tell others he has given it to them for those whom see their ministry and fruit of the spirit operating in their lives can easily see it manifested in their ministry and their lives.

It is not my desire to put the lord and his holy spirit in a box and his thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways are not my ways. he is god and there is none other like him. I think certain miracles that one may not specifically be in the bible would go under the term "signs and wonders and miracles."

If I had not had some awesome miracles and signs and wonders in my life, i might take your word for this C.C, but i have, so therefore I know the lord can and will do for us what we cannot do for ourselves and he does not have a formula or set of rules he goes by, that is why he is god and we are not.

we must be very careful that every response on any prayer board is scripturally based for we will be held responsible for our words to others and where and how we lead them. the lord holds all of us accountable for knowledge and the truth and that we do not lead anyone astray.

It will be difficult to convince others that the lord was not in a miracle they received (if you do not find it specifically in the bible) and it was a witness to their and others spirits from the holy lord and they had prayed for a certain prayer to be answered and it was.

the word says that we are to be very careful in saying something is not of the holy spirit if it is. that is a serious warning. we all are responsible to search the scriptures for ourselves lest we be very deceived. I do not put my faith or trust in any man for man will let us down and fail us but the word of the lord along with the holy spirit never will.

I know a man personally that was born again of the spirit of the lord when he received an actual phone call from the lord! he had been running from god but the lord got his attention by the phone call! I also know of a person personally that got a phone call from satan whom repeated to them the very prayer they had just prayed and no one but them knew of the prayer but them, the lord and the devil. this person had touched the hem of the lord's garment and knew the lord had heard and answered their prayer. satan tried to intervene and stop the answer coming forth in their prayer.

am i to judge and say neither of these was from the lord god above but was from the devil just because there is not a scripture in the bible that the lord or the enemy can call someone on the phone and give them a message?

Beware and be careful what and whom you judge of what is of the lord and what isn't for i have no doubt there are those whom have come on this prayer board that have been healed and blessed by ways you would say are not of the lord when you will never convince them otherwise----- for they also have the spiritual gift of discernment and know personally the holy god of israel. the holy bible is our guidebook for our life but if every miracle and manifestation was recorded the book would be huge and would be never-ending.

we are to make sure of our calling and that every word that proceeds out of our mouth is from the word of god---- for we will be judge accordingly not only from the lord but others will see and know the difference from the truth and from the false!

the lord gives his gifts to you and many others for HIS namesake and HIS glory and not for us to boast about--- and none of us are superior over the other for our righteousness is as of filthy rags without him!

Spiritually maturity is not how many years we have been born again, nor how much knowledge we know or how many gifts from the lord we have been given; for knowledge without love is puffed up and arrogant.

spiritual maturity is our "love walk" and how we treat others when no one is looking and watching---behind closed doors.

I heard it said today to find out the real and true character of ourselves is when no one is listening to us or watching us, how do we behave and act? i will have to say for myself, i need the lord to continue to do his work within me for as paul said, "i have not yet arrived!" Have you?

where is it in the scripture that the lord called others to be the word "moderators" of a prayer board?

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Crystal (Chris) Logan







This is my commandment, that ye love one another as i have loved you.

Crystal- very insightful, but you must remember, it is not to be what I say, but that which I share of God's Word, people are to decide wether to believe or not. As Paul declares, it is not of his command but that of God what we are to believe.

Keep in mind, I believe God has led Pastor Jerry to structure this Prayer Board, as the standard Church was established back in Apostlic days. A Church Sheperd was chosen, then others under him, chosen, all by God, to help in the operation of the ministry-(Church) that was started.

Just as there is a Pastor as head of the Church, he or she also has Deacons and lay leaders chosen by God thru them to help take care of the necessary operations of that ministry. It is by no accident, but a leading of God, Pastor Jerry structured the operations of this Board as he has, with sub leadership from Shawn, to Akabezalel, other Moderators and Prayer Warriors to help keep it going as required by God, according to growth.

I don't know your reasoning for mntioning my remark being told I demonstrated a particular Gift. This was not for the purpose of boasting, but for understanding the point I wanted to put across about the necessity of reading and studying God's Word and events and doctrines going on to know whether of God or not.

I do not expect you or anyone else to take me at my word, but to check it out for themselves. I'd much rather get others in the practice of seeking God's Truths on thier own, than convince them to always come to me for answers. I don't have them, but God only. I only know that which God has taught me and still am learning daily.

A main point here as well, has also to do with faith, as you said you'd question my info if not experienced things yourself. Don't believe me, research and study God's Word if true or not. I'm falable Crystal, I'll make mistakes. God will not and does not
make mistakes. I hope people will test the Spirit of my words, as I want them to learn to search for God's Truth in His Word themselves.

Keep in mind as well, not all religions call Deacons by this title, there are "Lay Leaders etc. Thus, sub leaders within all manner of ministries have variying titles according to thier purpose, called by God under thier Ministry Leader. God's Word is called the Bible, but you won't find that word used by God in His Word to describe His Word. You'll also find many Scriptures describing an event we call the "Rapture", even tho that title for it is not stated in God's Word.

The main thing about manifestations are what or how they change a person's life. This will ultimately lead them to understanding and seeking Salvation so as to belong to God. Why? Because ye are saved by Grace thru faith, not by works, lest any man should boast.

Thats right Crystal, to a part in needing love to share that knowledge, but we also need God's Wisdom to know how to use the knowledge we have gained from God, to Glorify Him only. As God declares His knowledge and Wisdom makes man's look foolish.

You may think I was trying to boast of my knowledge and experience. I was not, but only using my experience as a support for understanding what God has shown me in my life of helping others.

But, I've also witnessed alot of miracles and more claimed to have been of God for someone, yet th "Fruit they bear" does not coincide with what should be manifest from such events in how it changed thier life. But that is not necessary to wait and see, if already notice the events or miracles are not seen in God's Word.

Satan doesn't just "copy" God's Mircales as seen with Judas who Christ called- "Diabolis"- (the devil in human flesh), but also in masquerading as an Angel of Light too. This is why there needs to be a testing of the Spirit but also older children of God being responcible enough to help younger ones as required when approached as such.

I pray this helps you and others understand better where I'm coming from. My ultimate goal is to Glorify God only, not edify myself in any way.

God Bless!!

C.C.

I respect your reply and do understand where you are coming from and appreciate your explanation and your honesty. bless you for that.

I, the same as you am not without flaws or failures and in my weak and carnal flesh i can so displease and fail the lord along with the many others i so love and care about and whom love and care about me. most of all, i can grieve "him" and his holy spirit and hurt the heart of the very one whom came to save and fill my empty and sinfilled soul.

We are all growing and learning in the body of christ and none of us are without need to know and learn the truth and to share that truth with others.

we all are at different stages in our christian or "christlike" walk and some are more mature than others and understandably so for some have been born again of the spirit for many years and others just recently-------we, his people, are his church whether babes or the matured. we are his ministers of rightousness and truth.

but sometimes mere babes in christ can so amaze me with the hunger in their very beings for more of the love of christ and how quickly they can learn and absorb the word of the lord. they can be so very naive and innocent also in the spiritual realm which is so very spiritually becoming. i think the word says we are to have the faith as a child-------

may we all keep pressing into the bosom of christ so that we may truly be one within him and the (his) body of christ----

for we are all one in him already if we belong to him. there is no jew, nor greek, nor black or white, no male nor female. we are all one of the same in him. there is none above the other. also, no babes, no matured, we are all the same in his eyes. he can use the very least of these which includes even you and me.

we are all his children and he is no respector of persons whether it be in callings, or gifts or wisdom and knowledge for we all are called. many are called but few are chosen.

we all have been called by him and his plan, and his purpose and his destiny for all our lives is to passionately live to glorify him. that is my greatest desire and my hope and prayer is that my life will do just that---- and that his love within and through me will touch and bless many others.

less than that, i will fail him and my desire is to please only him and not fear man, but to fear only christ the lord the only one whom can and has saved my very soul.

may i always be teachable and willing to hear and listen to those whom the lord might use to minister his truth to me in an area of my life where i need it the most. i praise the lord for those he does use to minister to me whether in body or in spirit and may he bless each and everyone of them!

may the lord continue to teach you, mature you and use you and that your life will be a vessel that will always please and honor him C.C!

may you be blessed